Sabbath

[Lon]

Originally Posted by Clint

Each religion has its own day and they have their own requirements for what is a “Sabbath” or day of rest. I choose the seventh day (Saturday) but that’s not my point. My point is that in all of creation there is the example of rest that the books of many religions seem to capture and put it into words.

I try to observe the Sabbath Day and when I do things go better. I get a rhythm to my life that includes recharging for the next six days. My physical health is better and my mental and spiritual health is much better too.

It is interesting that when you mention something like this and use a name for it that religions use people become defensive and reject it. Did I say people needed to join a religious group to observe and benefit from a Sabbath day? What if I had said I heard the UN was going to declare a Worldwide Day of Rest?

I looked up the definition of Sabbath Clint, and while it does mention it as being a DAY OF REST, it's implications are really religious in nature and talks about observance. What are we to observe? There are some of us non-religious folk that have no difficulty in finding that day of rest and it's not necessarily on a Saturday or Sunday, in fact there may even be three or four days in a row that could be a day of rest. Today is Sunday, I feel very rested and have had a nice breakfast. I have OBSERVED some of my neighbors heading off to church and some off to play golf and others, who knows. Tomorrow is Monday and I just may take a day of rest tomorrow too, and maybe Tuesday as well. Actually, since retiring 17 years ago, I would have to guess that about 95% of my days have been pretty restful and I have observed so much.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by Lon

I looked up the definition of Sabbath Clint, and while it does mention it as being a DAY OF REST, it's implications are really religious in nature and talks about observance. What are we to observe? There are some of us non-religious folk that have no difficulty in finding that day of rest and it's not necessarily on a Saturday or Sunday, in fact there may even be three or four days in a row that could be a day of rest. Today is Sunday, I feel very rested and have had a nice breakfast. I have OBSERVED some of my neighbors heading off to church and some off to play golf and others, who knows. Tomorrow is Monday and I just may take a day of rest tomorrow too, and maybe Tuesday as well. Actually, since retiring 17 years ago, I would have to guess that about 95% of my days have been pretty restful and I have observed so much.

Right, there is a religious implication. Some would say it is a day to get "centered" and that too is religious because it recognizes us as spiritual beings. On a Sabbath we reconnect with God. Even if you don't recognize the spiritual aspect though, you can benefit from observing a day of rest. That is, of course, unless you rest every day like some lucky retired folks do.

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Clint

Right, there is a religious implication. Some would say it is a day to get "centered" and that too is religious because it recognizes us as spiritual beings. On a Sabbath we reconnect with God. Even if you don't recognize the spiritual aspect though, you can benefit from observing a day of rest. That is, of course, unless you rest every day like some lucky retired folks do.

The term Sabbath is nothing without its religious implication which differs for each religion (admittedly, the three Abrahamic religions have a similar interpretation but even here there are significant differences).

The only "religions" that would define the Sabbath in terms of a day to get "centred" would be the meditative ones such as Buddhism which, to the best of my knowledge, do not have a Sabbath.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr

The term Sabbath is nothing without its religious implication which differs for each religion (admittedly, the three Abrahamic religions have a similar interpretation but even here there are significant differences).

The only "religions" that would define the Sabbath in terms of a day to get "centred" would be the meditative ones such as Buddhism which, to the best of my knowledge, do not have a Sabbath.

My point isn't so much about whether it's religious or not. My point is that we are collectively burning out and we have to get a handle on it. For many the religious aspect is helpful, for others it isn't. Either way we need to take note, step back, and figure out what works for each one of us.

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Clint

My point isn't so much about whether it's religious or not. My point is that we are collectively burning out and we have to get a handle on it. For many the religious aspect is helpful, for others it isn't. Either way we need to take note, step back, and figure out what works for each one of us.

By phrasing it in religious terms you're masking what you're trying to say and excluding many who otherwise might be interested - same with your flu thread.

[Accountable]

In other words, you're not taking your audience's bigotry into account when you write, Clint.

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Accountable

In other words, you're not taking your audience's bigotry into account when you write, Clint.

If Clint states that it is not the religious aspect that he is referring to and appears to be getting frustrated that other posters are picking up on the religious implications of his wording, why is pointing out that the religious overtones are masking his point bigoted?

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by Accountable

In other words, you're not taking your audience's bigotry into account when you write, Clint.

Bigotry ? You'll have to explain that one Acc. Just an explanation from people that not all of us would find the sabbath as significant as Clint, for various reasons. Mine because I am an athiest. I see no bigotry here at all

[Accountable]

Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr

If Clint states that it is not the religious aspect that he is referring to and appears to be getting frustrated that other posters are picking up on the religious implications of his wording, why is pointing out that the religious overtones are masking his point bigoted?

Originally Posted by Snowfire

Bigotry ? You'll have to explain that one Acc. Just an explanation from people that not all of us would find the sabbath as significant as Clint, for various reasons. Mine because I am an athiest. I see no bigotry here at all

I can't see another reason why people would feel excluded from this conversation unless they were turned off by the religious terms. Rather than engaging Clint about the positive aspects he hints at, damn near everyone expresses some degree of offense taken at the prospect that observing any religious tradition can have a positive result. How is that not bigotry?

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by Accountable

I can't see another reason why people would feel excluded from this conversation unless they were turned off by the religious terms. Rather than engaging Clint about the positive aspects he hints at, damn near everyone expresses some degree of offense taken at the prospect that observing any religious tradition can have a positive result. How is that not bigotry?

I just read all these posts again and saw disagreement and no bigotry. Why are we not allowed an opinion without it being called bigotry. There is no offence in any post I read. I'm mystified