Sabbath

[Clint]

Originally Posted by Ted

Clint

Mickiel still hasn't learned. Sad.


Shalom
Ted

It's also sad that because of an emergency and had to work today. My Sabbath was ruined.

[Mickiel]

Jesus taught in Matt.12:3-8, that the sabbath had become so overblow, that people didnot want to even work on it. He showed that you can, which many zealots rejected. Jesus called himself, " The Lord of the sabbath", meaning he overules it. He is more important than the sabbath. Through him, we don't need a sabbath. In vs. 11-13, he showed the common sense of helping mere animals as more important than the sabbath. If a simple animal needed help on the sabbath, is your reverence for this day so " Spiritual", that you would ignore an animals need for help. He was breaking down these very strong walls that believers had errected on the sabbath, which still stand even unto this day.

People revere the sabbath so much, its as if they think man was created for the sabbath. But Jesus taught that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. It shouldnot rule over us, but we rule over it.

You know, some think the sabbath is so holy, that it just rules us. " Oh, its the sabbath now" , I can't do this, I must do that. Allowing the day to rule over them, lord it over them. This is a serious misunderstanding.

And I think its a sad thing to witness.

Peace.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by Mickiel

Jesus taught in Matt.12:3-8, that the sabbath had become so overblow, that people didnot want to even work on it. He showed that you can, which many zealots rejected. Jesus called himself, " The Lord of the sabbath", meaning he overules it. He is more important than the sabbath. Through him, we don't need a sabbath. In vs. 11-13, he showed the common sense of helping mere animals as more important than the sabbath. If a simple animal needed help on the sabbath, is your reverence for this day so " Spiritual", that you would ignore an animals need for help. He was breaking down these very strong walls that believers had errected on the sabbath, which still stand even unto this day.

People revere the sabbath so much, its as if they think man was created for the sabbath. But Jesus taught that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. It shouldnot rule over us, but we rule over it.

You know, some think the sabbath is so holy, that it just rules us. " Oh, its the sabbath now" , I can't do this, I must do that. Allowing the day to rule over them, lord it over them. This is a serious misunderstanding.

And I think its a sad thing to witness.

Peace.

I could use the Bible to point out the error in your statements but my whole point here has been that the Sabbath has value to man. I personally enjoy that value. I’m sorry you don’t understand that I do it because I need the rest. I simply pointed out that it is an ancient law that works well for us in practical ways.

You seem to have a problem with the law so I suppose you are okay with murder, stealing and adultery. People who don’t murder are keeping the law...shame on them.

Shalom

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by Clint

I could use the Bible to point out the error in your statements but my whole point here has been that the Sabbath has value to man. I personally enjoy that value. I’m sorry you don’t understand that I do it because I need the rest. I simply pointed out that it is an ancient law that works well for us in practical ways.

You seem to have a problem with the law so I suppose you are okay with murder, stealing and adultery. People who don’t murder are keeping the law...shame on them.

Shalom

I am using the bible to point out the error in your ways.

So now you suppose that I am okay with murder, stealing and adultery. So now your just becomming unreasonable and insulting.

Its because you think I am trying to take away your crutch.

Peace.

[Accountable]

Mickiel, don't you see that your own posts have been insulting as well? I used to often find it amusing when people try to out-enlighten each other, seeming to brag about how much humility they have. It's not amusing this time, just sad. Maybe I'm tired.

I doubt discussions in this vein do much for enlightening others.

[Kathy Ellen]

Mickiel,

Please stop badgering Clint and let him enjoy his Sabbath. It's a day of rest not a crutch to him.

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by Kathy Ellen

Mickiel,

Please stop badgering Clint and let him enjoy his Sabbath. It's a day of rest not a crutch to him.

Woman, what you consider badgering, I consider explaining. Clint stated that we cannot realize spiritual benefits without keeping the sabbath. I disagree with that, and have shown in the word why. But now if what you really want is to silence me, you have but to ask.

Peace.

[Kathy Ellen]

Originally Posted by Mickiel

Woman, what you consider badgering, I consider explaining. Clint stated that we cannot realize spiritual benefits without keeping the sabbath. I disagree with that, and have shown in the word why. But now if what you really want is to silence me, you have but to ask.

Peace.

Woman My name is Kathy Ellen.

I'm not trying to silence you......I would never try to silence anyone. I just think that you can be nicer or maybe less sarcastic.

[Clint]

I apologize. I wasn't trying to insult anyone. I was just trying to make a point.

If I had only been clearer with my intent this could have been a very interesting thread. We might have discussed traditions and practices we have thrown away only to discover their value later.

Western culture has become one that misses the value in what it already has. We are thoughtlessly moving on to the new as we discard things proven to be valuable over several millenniums. It seems like new trumps value every time. And if it's roots are in religion some people will discard it even if it would save their life. The course we are on seems to be one that will destroy us or teach us lessons mankind has been forced to painfully learn over and over again.

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by Kathy Ellen

Woman My name is Kathy Ellen.

I'm not trying to silence you......I would never try to silence anyone. I just think that you can be nicer or maybe less sarcastic.

Kathy, I do not use sarcasm, and I am not a mean poster. I can be serious, direct, even frank, but I am not mean or sarcastic.

I disagree with how you are viewing me.

I am sorry for calling you a woman. I meant nothing by it.

Peace.