" Quran . Vs . Bible ". Vs . Science

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by spot

I didn't have anything to add to what we'd said. I'd only be repeating myself. We've each put our point of view. Everyone coming into the thread for the next few years will be able to make their own mind up on the basis of our posts here. What else could I say that would help the thread to progress? I've claimed that any all-powerful creator God is by definition both evil and diabolical, you've denied it. You rely on divinely written scriptures, I've said they have human authorship. You rely on belief, I rely on experience and logic. I don't think either of us will persuade the other but I do think the thread might be useful to some readers who come in here in the future.

I'm quite happy to continue discussing it though, if you like. I just didn't see what more I could post that would be constructive.

We can start another thread and discuss the prove of the existence of God or not,Ok

[spot]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

We can start another thread and discuss the prove of the existence of God or not,Ok

There's not really any point in that. God's one or other of a number of dictionary definitions. You and I use the word differently.

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by spot

There's not really any point in that. God's one or other of a number of dictionary definitions. You and I use the word differently.

We would discuss if the God, the Only powerful God excist or not....You believe that no God created that world ,while I believe that that world needed a creater

[Abram Is Muslim]

That what Snowfire asked me in another thread...
Christian fundamentalists who believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, believe that God created the world we live in, about 6,500 years ago, although modern science would onviously dispute this. Does the Quran give any clues to the time of origin ?

And that was my answer...

Indications in Qura'n determines the age of Universe


t is mentioned in the Qura'n that Allah created the universe in six days, according to what Allah said( And indeed We created the heavens and the earth and all between them and nothing of fatigue touched Us) (V. 5 Surah Qaf)

In this verse the word" days" means phases or long stretches of time to create the universe, and they are not like the days which humans count because the phrase "your reckoning" isn't mentioned in all the verses which talks about the six days of creation. As Allah said:" And He it is who has created the heavens and the earth in six Days and His Throne was on the water, that He might try you, which of you is the best in deeds. But if you were to say to them(you shall indeed be raised up after death,) those who disbelieve would be sure to say,(This is nothing but obvious magic) (V. 7 Surah Hud)

(Allah it is He who has created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them in six Days. Then He rose over (Istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). You (mankind) have none, besides Him, as a Wali (protector or helper) or an intercessor. Will you not then remember (or receive admonition)? ) (V. 4 As- Sajdah)

Here we notice that the word" day" in Surah As-Sajdah(V. 4) stands for a phase of creation, but the same word in (V. 5) is like our days which we count by sun rises. The question is what are these days or six phases? And how they can be divided through time? , Taking into consideration that astronomers estimate the universe age between 10 to 20 billion years.

Indications in Qura'n:

Allah said( Say (O Muhammad):" Do you verily disbelieve in Him who created the earth in two Days? And set up rivals (in worship) with Him? That is the Lord of the Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists) )(V. 9 Fussilat)

According to these verses, the six days of creation are divided into three equal divisions; as the consensus of commentators; each equals two days of creation days in the proportional concept of time.

The first division: two days for the earth creation from the sky when it was smoke(Say(O Muhammad):" do you verily disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two Days? And you set up rivals with Him...etc

( Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?) (V. 30 Al-Anbiya)

second division: two days to create the seven heavens (Then He rose over(Istawa) towards the heavens when it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth:" come both of you willingly or unwillingly" They both said:" We come willingly) (V. 11 Fussilat)

This points out the condition of the sky when it was smoke after two days from the great universe explosion, through this time the sky began to form then Allah created them seven heavens in two days.

Third division: two days for creating the geological features of the earth so it can be suitable for humans. "He placed therein(i.e. the earth) firm mountains from above it, and He blessed it, and measured therein its sustenance( for its dwellers) in four Days equal(i.e. all these four days were equal in the length of time) for all those who ask( about its creation) " (V. 10 Fussilat)

This shows the process in which meteors fell down and settled on the crust of the earth immediately after it hardened. And this theory is proved by the Qura'n "from above it"" and he blessed it and measured its sustenance"

All commentators believe that these four days include the two days of the earth creation, and the other two for creating its geological features.

It is shown from the above that:

The six days are equal in the length of time if it weren't for that it would be impossible to divide them into three phases.


It took two days(from the six creation days) to complete the geological features of the earth until the appearance of humans, that is third of the universe age.

The creation of the geological features of the earth, starting from the earth crust hardening until the existence of humans, took 4.5 billion years according to a study made on the earth age. This means that the age of the universe is (4.5×3)=13.5 billion years, and this number is similar to what NASA( National American Space Agency) discovered lately through using space shuttle with high developed equipments to observe the universe, as it estimated the universe age by 13.7 billion years