" Quran . Vs . Bible ". Vs . Science

[Abram Is Muslim]

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
God Challenge the non-believers by science , God in Quran says

Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity. (Quran 4:82)

Will they then not meditate on the Qur'an, or are there locks on the hearts? (Quran 47:24)

And He it is Who hath produced you from a single being, and (hath given you) a habitation and a repository. We have detailed Our revelations for a people who have understanding. (Quran 6:98)

God challanged the non believers with Quran, Godprove to us in Quran that the Bible and Torah were the word of God , but the the Jews and Christians changed it , and still for sorrow as will prove later,

The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers - We make no distinction between any of His messengers - and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying. (Quran 2:285)


Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby. (79)

And sure any revelation sent from God ,shouldnt deny the science at all,the revelation was send by who creat this world, and sure know every detail in it,,,So I made that topic comparing both Quran and Bible with modern science.

-------------------The First discussion is about the story of Joseph-------------------------
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The Bible tells the story and talk about the person having the power in Egypt in that time as "a Pharaoh",,,

Genesis 41:14 Then Pharaoh sent and called Joseph, and they brought him hastily out of the dungeon: and he shaved himself, and changed his raiment, and came in unto Pharaoh.

While Quran calls the person having the power in Egypt in that time as " a King",,,,

And the king said: Bring him unto me that I may attach him to my person. And when he had talked with him he said: Lo! thou art to-day in our presence established and trusted. (Quran 12:54)

While by the way Quran mentioned the word Pharaoh was mentioned in Quran in the story of Moses in Egypt too,

Moses said: O Pharaoh! Lo! I am a messenger from the Lord of the Worlds, (Quram 7:104)

So who was more accurate or lets say ,who goes with the science,

But what about the record of a FAMINE for 7 long years?

"My heart is in great anxiety," said King Zoser of so-called Dynasty III, "for in my time the Nile has not overflowed for a period of SEVEN YEARS. There is scarcely any produce of the field; herbage fails; eatables are wanting. Every man robs his neighbor ... the children cry, the young people creep along ... the people of the courts are at their wits' end. The store-houses were built, but ... all that was in them has been consumed," he laments (from Barton's "Archaeology and the Bible", pp. 370-371). Compare this with Genesis 41:29-32 and 47:13-27. Here is the plain record. Scoffers cannot deny it, so they get around the proof of biblical inspiration by twisting the chronology — the time of these contemporary rulers!

Joseph was promoted about 1670 B.C., in the middle of the Hyksos occuption of Egypt,where the Hyksos King controled the whole of the Egypt, and the Pharaohes were only controling the upper of Egypt "the south of Egypt",



after I proved how God made Quran as a great challange to everybody , I would love to tell you the story of Joseph fron the Quran,

Read about it here ,

The Story Of Joseph

To Be countined with another challange...................

[Ted]

Abram

Many of the sacred writings of all the great faiths claim to be the word of God. The archaeology is a rather imprecise science. Whether or not Abraham or Isaac, or Moses were historical figures is open to question.

Though I have a copy of the Qur/\'an and have read parts of it one still has to question what is parable or metaphor etc.

I do not personally accept that the Bible is the absolute inerrant word of God and can only speculate that what I have read from the Qur'an is in the same category.

That being said I do believe that God or Allah if you like does speak to human beings through the sacred scriptures of many of the great faiths. I do not believe for one moment that any of them has or holds the complete truth. While they are inspired books they are also written by human hands.

Shalom
Ted

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by Ted

Abram

Many of the sacred writings of all the great faiths claim to be the word of God. The archaeology is a rather imprecise science. Whether or not Abraham or Isaac, or Moses were historical figures is open to question.

Though I have a copy of the Qur/\'an and have read parts of it one still has to question what is parable or metaphor etc.

I do not personally accept that the Bible is the absolute inerrant word of God and can only speculate that what I have read from the Qur'an is in the same category.

That being said I do believe that God or Allah if you like does speak to human beings through the sacred scriptures of many of the great faiths. I do not believe for one moment that any of them has or holds the complete truth. While they are inspired books they are also written by human hands.

Shalom
Ted

Hi Ted, Just type her anything you readed in Quran and couldnt get it , and Im going to explain it,NshAllah.

God Or Allah Both , if you wanna speakin English say God,in Arabic say Allah , manyAmericans who convert into Islam love to use the Arabic words,like many Jew use the word Yahweh, and so on.

Islam Challanged everybody wanna disprove that it wasnt the word of God, Quran challanged with all the available sciences.

Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity. (Quran 4:82)

[Abram Is Muslim]

The Book of "The Bible, The Quran and Science", by the famous French physician Maurice Bucaille.

You Can get it downloaded from here

[Abram Is Muslim]

Sphericity of the Earth between the Quran and the Bible

Glory to Allah (he who said): (He draweth the night as a veil O'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession) Al-A'raf 54

(the phrase "seeking the other in rapid succession" was expressed in Arabic as" Yatlbho Hathithan") which means following it rapidly, without stopping.

Lets image that.....the day is an organism of light emitted from the sun filling all the space and the surroundings in all directions and the night is another organism that is having no light in it except the glow of the stars following the day rapidly and the day is following it also . this one runs and the other one seeking it without stopping.

But to where? And how? Are they running in a straight way its terminal is the infinity? If it was like this so there will be only one day pass over the earth followed by only one night and then its over .

But we see them following each other, as the day comes out every day from the same direction it came out from the previous day, and it's sun moves to comes down in the same direction it came down at yesterday and also the darkness from the east and it depresses in the west, then this scene is repeated and repeated as much as God wants so.

Lets image the movement in the words of Allah (seeking the other in rapid succession) from this reality we find that the way is rounded no doubt about it. To understand this easily we have to comprehend the descriptional phraseology in the Holy Quran very well then, it will appear to us clearly through out the verse a picture of a spherical way around the earth, running on it the day and the night this draweth that and that draweth this.erlap was expressed in Arabic as makes it spherical or round) so by this way the verse would be very clear. Overlapping the night on the day so it hide it and makes the night as a sphere, and overlap the day on the night so it hide it and makes the day as a sphere. And so by making both of them rounded around each other we can see a spherical body rolling between both of them gathering them and making them rounded around each other. This body is the earth.

Lets image that we are in the day reign and after a few hours the night will cover this reign but it won't cover it in a normal way, no it will get rounded and rounded which means that it bends in a spherical way, and logically the reign must be spherical so that words could be understood. Humanity was ignoramus and knew nothing about that except for some common superstitions. So how did Mohammed peace and priers of Alla be upon him know it and assure it?! Praise and glory to Allah who said: (And it is he who spread out the earth ,and set thereon mountains standing firm"Ar-Ra'd 3 "And the earth we have spread out (like a carpet);set thereon mountains firm and immovable Al-Hijr19

How can the earth be spread out? And what does it mean? "This means that we flattened walking on it so it will be extended in front of us, you won't end up at a barrier that hide what is behind it, or an eternal gap that we stand in front of it handicapped, so lets walk in any direction we want, and let the nights, months, years and all of the age pass and as we keep walking as it will keep extending, and so there isn't any geometrical shape fulfill this status except the spherical shape, so as you keep walking on it, it keeps extending in front of you, and any other shape can't fulfill the meaning of this verse".

Many Muslim scholars and explainers pointed to the Sphericity of the earth from what they had understood from Allah's book (The Holy Quran) such as: Muslim scholars (Imam) pointed to this reality a long time ago, as Imam”Ibn Alkim Al Gozia" pointed in his book "Al Tibian fy aksam alquran" or the clarification of the chapters of the Holy Quran pointed to the Sphericity of the earth, also Imam "Fakr Al Razi" pointed to the Sphericity of the earth in his clarifying book "Mafatih Alkaib" or the keys of the unknown saying: " the spread out of the earth is extending it to where we can't approach its end, and God made the earth's mass great so the eyesight can't reach its end, and if the sphere was very big each part of it is seen as an extended straight surface".

And to that also pointed Sheik Al-Islam "Ibn Timia" in his book "the right answer to whom changed the religion of Jesus" he said: “know that they have agreed on that the earth is spherically shaped and there is nothing under its surface except its middle and the end of beneath is the center which is called the area of heaviness".

And the Sphericity of the earth while it is swimming in the space didn’t appear to the people except when the Russians released the first satellite " Spotenik" to it’s orbit around the earth in October 1957, and so the scientists could have a clear photos of the planet earth through the photographing tools that were fixed on the satellite, in 1966 the satellite "Lonic 9"landed on the surface of the moon accompanied by its advanced instruments, and so it sent back to the receiving stations on the earth photos of the planet earth, so how did Mohammed peace and priers of Allah be upon him know that? It is the inspiration from Allah, which proves that the one who sent down the Holy Quran is the creator of the universes, and it is He who knows every thing.

Source: 55a.net

While the Bible says about the Creation of the Earth:-

5He set the earth on its foundations,
so that it should never be moved.

I dont know what foundations the earth was made over, and how the earth doesnt move..............!!!!

Amplified Bible
8 and he shall go out, and shall deceive folks, that be on four corners of the earth [that be in four corners of the earth], Gog and Magog. And he shall gather them [together] into battle, whose number is as the gravel of the sea.

What corners.....!!! Is it a rectangle.........

American Standard Version
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth above the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in;

What circle is that..............??

New American Standard Bible
Proverbs 8:27"When He established the heavens, I was there,
When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep,

[Ted]

One has to keep in mind that the Holy Qur'an was written some 1000 years after Deuteronomy. That time span makes a big difference in the available fund of knowledge.

Shalom
Ted

[spot]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

And the Sphericity of the earth while it is swimming in the space didn’t appear to the people except when the Russians released the first satellite " Spotenik" to it’s orbit around the earth in October 1957, and so the scientists could have a clear photos of the planet earth through the photographing tools that were fixed on the satellite, in 1966 the satellite "Lonic 9"landed on the surface of the moon accompanied by its advanced instruments, and so it sent back to the receiving stations on the earth photos of the planet earth, so how did Mohammed peace and priers of Allah be upon him know that? It is the inspiration from Allah, which proves that the one who sent down the Holy Quran is the creator of the universes, and it is He who knows every thing.

It's strange that people think the idea of a spherical earth is recent. Aristotle demonstrated it to be a sphere around 2340 years ago and Eratosthenes calculated the sphere's dimensions to within reasonable error limits ninety years afterwards. It's more a matter of observation than divine inspiration and it's definitely pre-Islamic.

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by Ted

One has to keep in mind that the Holy Qur'an was written some 1000 years after Deuteronomy. That time span makes a big difference in the available fund of knowledge.

Shalom
Ted

What knowledge , we are talking about Holy Books, not school books.

If God is the One said the Deuteronomy , sure he wouldnt make that mistake

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by spot

It's strange that people think the idea of a spherical earth is recent. Aristotle demonstrated it to be a sphere around 2340 years ago and Eratosthenes calculated the sphere's dimensions to within reasonable error limits ninety years afterwards. It's more a matter of observation than divine inspiration and it's definitely pre-Islamic.

Thats great ,I wonder why the writters of the Bible didnt see that, secondly , Aristole and the Others assumed that the Earth is the Center of the universe for along time,

You can readMore about the Other Islamic miracles , that never been discovered but this Century and the pervious One.

http://55a.net/firas/english/

[spot]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

Thats great ,I wonder why the writters of the Bible didnt see that, secondly , Aristole and the Others assumed that the Earth is the Center of the universe for along time,

The bible texts you quoted were all composed before the first experimental measurements were made by the Greeks. The Babylonians thought the earth was flat too, I expect the bible's cosmology was deeply influenced by the time in exile there.

The Greeks had a heliocentric universe model, first offered by Aristarchus of Samos in the same decade that the first experimental measurement of the Earth's diameter was published 2250 years ago. That doesn't address where the centre of the universe is located but it steps beyond the contemporary Earth-centred model.

Are you saying the Quran moves beyond heliocentricity as far as assuming the centre of the universe to be elsewhere than within the solar system? I'd be interested to see the relevant verse.