I don't get it.

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by Kathy Ellen

Hello Muhamed

Thank you for posting in your own words without posting links. That's nice to see.

I'm an agnostic. I'm not sure if there is an almighty supreme being or not. In my heart, I honestly don't care one way or the other. Keeping an open mind about religion and listening to other's thoughts are important to me as long as the person speaks from the heart and not through links, and also listens to my point of view.

I just try to be the best person that I can be and forgive myself when I err in making poor judgements. My family and friends, children, neighbors, animals and good, fun living are important to me.

If there is a place like Heaven and Hell, I know that I'll be in the better of the 2 places. I try to do my best and make each day special by being kind to others, being productive and just enjoying life with my loved ones.

It's a simple as that to me

what if you gave Birth for a kid ,and he grow up , and no even cared of connecting you , or taking care of who is his mother.....??

will that son be good son...??

[Kathy Ellen]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

what if you gave Birth for a kid ,and he grow up , and no even cared of connecting you , or taking care of who is his mother.....??

will that son be good son...??

Not sure what you mean. If I gave birth to a child then this child would grow up to be loved by his family and friends, and will be well taken care of.

Yes, I hope he would be a good son. He would have much guidance from his loved ones, and when he grew up, he would make his own decisions.

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by Kathy Ellen

Not sure what you mean. If I gave birth to a child then this child would grow up to be loved by his family and friends, and will be well taken care of.

Yes, I hope he would be a good son. He would have much guidance from his loved ones, and when he grew up, he would make his own decisions.

can one of his owen desicion denying ur motherhood after u gave him everything and never asked him anything back....??

[Abram Is Muslim]

brb after my exam to complete that discussion

[Kathy Ellen]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

can one of his owen desicion denying ur motherhood after u gave him everything and never asked him anything back....??

Why would he deny my motherhood? He would always know that I loved him and gave him the best advice I could. When he's an adult, he's free to fly and make his own decision. His foundation would be the love, morals and values of his family, friends, neighbors and education.

If he wishes to learn about religion that's his decision. I would never deny him freedom of religion or speech.

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by Kathy Ellen

Why would he deny my motherhood? He would always know that I loved him and gave him the best advice I could. When he's an adult, he's free to fly and make his own decision. His foundation would be the love, morals and values of his family, friends, neighbors and education.

If he wishes to learn about religion that's his decision. I would never deny him freedom of religion or speech.

My point, You has been given whole your body , ur sight, your hearing by SomeOne You say that you dont even care for knowing him , its worse than that son denying your motherhood, because the Creator who you dont even care of knowing , gave you more than you could give that son....But You dont even care of knowing him

Brb after Exams , Peace for you Kathy

[buttercup]

Hi Muhamed
I have to work this evening but yes i would like to see the thread where you discuss science v religious beliefs, please leave a link to it for me. Thank you.
As for your question to Kathy from my point of view i do not EXPECT anything of my children, if i see them daily thats good but its also good if i only see them weekly, monthly, yearly ect. It all depends on what is going on in their life and where they are living. The more equipped they are to be independent in the world the better. If they can live well independently of me ive done a good job raising them.

I do not expect them to look after me in my old age.

[Kathy Ellen]

Muhamed....Your religious beliefs are your own, and it's your opinion.

I have not met anyone who could convince me that there is a supreme being who created the world. I'm not denying the fact that there may be a supreme being, but I have no proof. I'm not going to believe the words in a book written by human beings.

I do wonder how the world was created and understand the scientific point of view, but do not understand why I would believe messages written in a book to be the truth.

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by Kathy Ellen

I'm with you on this one Buttercup, maybe because I'm not religious and just don't care.


Personal opinions are not appreciated in many threads in FG. You need to provide link, after link, after link to prove your point. Sifting through tons of links is daunting to say the least. Where do you find the time to do that?? Do most people enjoy reading all of those links?

I don't get it either

I have to say this is a irritation to me sometimes too. Opinion and personal experience count for nothing a lot of the time. We all have personal experiences that mould our opinions of certain topics and are as valid as a hundred links

I am an athiest. I do not believe in a creator, a God. I respect those that do believe and respect their religions and their freedom to practice it. I would hope that they would respect the fact I am an Athiest and my freedom to not believe. I've never understood why each religion thinks their path is the correct and only one. Their God is the only one. Nomad made an excellent post along those lines in another thread.

I do not and never would foist my beliefs on others and detest the way fundementalists of all religion feel the need to "fill my heart with God" My heart is already full, with the love of family and friends. I have no more room, thank you. I do not need a scripture to determine my moral code. I am good, moral, polite and honest, maybe more so than a few religious leaders around the world - and a few nearer home too.

I do not seek God. I do not need God but I'm happy for those that have found God.

[flopstock]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

can one of his owen desicion denying ur motherhood after u gave him everything and never asked him anything back....??

I no more want to know a god who demands worship then i want to date a man who is constantly demanding that I admire what he does or how he looks.

To my mind, if there is a god and she is good... she will look and judge us based on how we treated each other and whoa be damned to anyone who dared to hurt anyone else in her name..

Religion is simply an out. Faith in anything is hard to maintain over time. Belief in each other would be our best bet.. but we won't take it.. never have.