I don't get it.

[cigar898]

By the way, Hi Ted!

[Ted]

cigar

Welcome.

Shalom
Ted

[buttercup]

Originally Posted by cigar898

Buttercup.....

You asked us to defend our faith (I'm Catholic) without using quotes from the Bible....then I ask you to explain creation without using a book or T.V. and no knowledge that you gained from a book or T.V.
(Why no T.V./because people believed in God before there was television )

Hi Cigar
I apologize for not answering how i explain creation (I can't actually find the post where you asked me to explain it) Perhaps your just asking now in the above post?
My answer is i do not know (for certain) but to expect me to believe it was created by a 'God' i just find illogical.

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by cigar898

Results of Atheistic Faith
No Absolute Moral Standard In The World.
No Human Hope Beyond The Grave.

Interesting. Where did our moral standards come from before Christianity. We've beeen around for millions of years but your saying our morality didnt evolve untill the introduction of Christianity. What about the morality of those millions of people around the globe untouched - as yet - by the Christian/Muslim missionaries.

Are you suggesting that Athiests are unable to be moral ?

I would suggest otherwise. As an Athiest I know the rules of right conduct. I know what is right and what is wrong. Its inherrant. As it was before Islam and Christianity showed up.

I know not to kill, not because it was written in a commandment but because I know it is wrong. Just as the tribesman living in the Brazillian jungle, who has never heard of your God, knows it is wrong. Is he unable to understand morality ?

[cigar898]

Originally Posted by Snowfire

Interesting. Where did our moral standards come from before Christianity. We've beeen around for millions of years but your saying our morality didnt evolve untill the introduction of Christianity. What about the morality of those millions of people around the globe untouched - as yet - by the Christian/Muslim missionaries.

Are you suggesting that Athiests are unable to be moral ?

I would suggest otherwise. As an Athiest I know the rules of right conduct. I know what is right and what is wrong. Its inherrant. As it was before Islam and Christianity showed up.

I know not to kill, not because it was written in a commandment but because I know it is wrong. Just as the tribesman living in the Brazillian jungle, who has never heard of your God, knows it is wrong. Is he unable to understand morality ?

Sorry but ask any sociologist and they will tell you, morals are not inherrant. They are learned from parents and interaction with others. As for the ancients being moral or not. Do you ahve proof that they were moral? Where are the written records? Please show that data to back up that statement (not being sarcastic sir, sometimes one will read these and mis-interpret without facial/voice markers).
Atheists and morals? Of course Atheists have morals. If they didn't they would be running around amok doing bad things. But an atheist learns morals from parents and the parents learn their morals from thewir parents...it's a viscious cycle!
Somewhere in that family tree, a relative wasn't an atheist and thus passes on faith values and morals. Whether you want to or not, morals are "absorbed" from relations.......and not everybody is atheist.

[Ted]

Actually if one reads Karen Armstrong's book "The Great Transformation" they will notice that she has convincingly shown that justice and compassion were part of many ancient cultures thousands of years before Christianity.

Shalom
Mate

[luciferjohn]

Originally Posted by buttercup

In your own words without quoting some holy book please.

Why do you feel the need for gods, religion, praying, churches, temples whatever you call your place of worship.
Do you need something to believe in, why?

personally , i think people need their god/gods to give them something to believ in because they are disillusioned with reality, our governments suck, our countries a fighting or close to it, and hate is everywhere, most of us want peace, and we get it from our beliefs whether your christian/ pegan/ athiest what we believe in gives us comfort,unfortunatly we dont think anyone else can be comfortable believing in something else and thats where most of the trouble begins.

does that help?

[luciferjohn]

Originally Posted by Ted

Actually if one reads Karen Armstrong's book "The Great Transformation" they will notice that she has convincingly shown that justice and compassion were part of many ancient cultures thousands of years before Christianity.

Shalom
Mate

true the ancient cultures had morals similar to christan morals , to be exact they found a piller in babalon, that had 10 laws written on it, those laws where verbatem the 10 commandments, the piller was carved, before the christian faith was thought of,even before the jews were realesed from captivity,

hope that helps

[KSnyder]

My only "religion" is to care about people and so I look at that as a "religion" and have to say that it's not about having the need to believe in something so much so that it's not having the desire to ignore what "you" believe! As much as it may appear, people do not invent religion. They can't if they were to respectfully consider themselves "a true believer" it's just not pragmatically intelligent!

The difference being in the interpretation from ONE HUMAN BEING TO ANOTHER(And I'm not yelling at you I'm yelling at "THEM!!!!!"...) Which raises the blatant fact that anyone that considers themselves "religious" completely contradicts their suggestion that their "god" is The One True God. If "you" suggest your "religion" is the one true "religion" then that would mean all other "religions" are false ultimately meaning "you'd" have absolutely no use for the very word "religion" at all! Lest "you'd" invented it!

Nothing at all wrong with "religion"! Just another opinion among many! Everything wrong with the interpretations that romanticizes the idea that being complacent with fear is in the "public's" best interests! Sadly mistaken! Thus we have blame which preludes resentment!

What's left is retaining the "right" to call ones self "religious" all to justify cold blooded murder and having the audacity to sleep at night! How the else would one feel the need to consider themselves "religious"!?!??!?!?(And I'm not yelling at you I'm yelling at "THEM!!!!!"...)