Abrahmic religions discussion.Invitation for a Jew , christian and Muslim to discuss

[Betty Boop]

Originally Posted by Clodhopper

Fortunately, it seeems that the success of modern science in creating sperm cells from stem cells means males are unnecessary.

Oh joy.

Yes, I heard that on the news, I wondered whether the turkey baster would turn over and go to sleep straight away or give me a hug after the deed was done

[Bill Sikes]

Originally Posted by buttercup

Interesting, how does a woman force a man to have sex with her? Does she tape sticks to either side of his penis to make it erect or what : wah:

Or what, I should think. This sort of thing is done with farm animals (for AI), after all.

[buttercup]

How do you clean a turkey baster, is there a special tool, brush type thing? Boil it, what?

[buttercup]

Originally Posted by Bill Sikes

Or what, I should think. This sort of thing is done with farm animals (for AI), after all.

So if somebody (plays around with you) its going to be hard even if you don't want to do it? Jeez you men are so easy.

[Zapata]

"Jesus emigrated to the New World, apparently."

Looks like it was after he was reseurrected, according to the added passages.

[spot]

Originally Posted by Zapata

"Jesus emigrated to the New World, apparently."

Looks like it was after he was reseurrected, according to the added passages.

That's helpful, "Abram Is Muslim" will be pleased you've taken the thread back on track with that since he wants distinctions between Jews, Muslims and Christians discussed by practicing members of the faith.

First distinction:

Jewish position: Jesus was a man who was killed and stayed dead, because the Jews have no central belief regarding heaven and certainly no Triune Godhead. Those Jews who choose to believe in heaven think all good people go there, which is refreshingly unchristian of them.

Muslim position: Jesus was a prophet who was killed and went to heaven - Muslims are big on heaven. Jesus was a Muslim because only Muslims go to heaven.

Christian position: Jesus sits at this very instant on the right hand of God, poised to come soon to judge the living and the dead and triumph over the forces of Satan (which probably include all the Jews and definitely include the all Muslims).

That, at least, is the position when it comes to dogmatic insistence on the demands of literal inerrant belief. It's a perfect reason to throw literal inerrant belief into the dustbin where it belongs.

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by spot

That's helpful, "Abram Is Muslim" will be pleased you've taken the thread back on track with that since he wants distinctions between Jews, Muslims and Christians discussed by practicing members of the faith.

First distinction:

Jewish position: Jesus was a man who was killed and stayed dead, because the Jews have no central belief regarding heaven and certainly no Triune Godhead. Those Jews who choose to believe in heaven think all good people go there, which is refreshingly unchristian of them.

Muslim position: Jesus was a prophet who was killed and went to heaven - Muslims are big on heaven. Jesus was a Muslim because only Muslims go to heaven.

Christian position: Jesus sits at this very instant on the right hand of God, poised to come soon to judge the living and the dead and triumph over the forces of Satan (which probably include all the Jews and definitely include the all Muslims).

That, at least, is the position when it comes to dogmatic insistence on the demands of literal inerrant belief. It's a perfect reason to throw literal inerrant belief into the dustbin where it belongs.

Thats completely wrong Spot ,

In Judism ,the Talmud say that Jesus is a son of Who** ,
Insults Against Blessed Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Jesus is burning in hell in "boiling hot semen". By Willie Martin
Judaism - Talmud
Parts 9 through 16
By Willie Martin

They even call Jesus as Ben Pendara , and say that Pendara is a Greek solider who slept with Mary "And sure thats one of the follest lie ever" .

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Messiah in Arabic means Jesus,
In Islam , Quran says,

(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah). (Quran 3:45)

And Jesus being a word means,

But His command, when He intendeth a thing, is only that he saith unto it: Be! and it is. (Quran 36:82)

And what is Jesus,the Messiah, exactly...??

The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away! (Quran 5:75)

Was Jesus killed ...??

As for those who believe in Allah, and hold fast unto Him, them He will cause to enter into His mercy and grace, and will guide them unto Him by a straight road. (Quran 4:175)

He was not killed and God raised him to heaven , and clothed one of the students his likeness, and that student was killed, and that truth is approved through Christians Gospels, I will explain it now , but why God raised Jesus to heaven..??

Because he was the last prophet sent among the sons of Israel

And Already Jesus approved that in Bible,

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Now about Killing Jesus , where its approved from Christians scriptures that Jesus was not killed and his likeness was clothed to another student....??

In the Gospel of Judah , thats it orginal comes back to the third Century as Old as Matthew Gosples and Others, that Gospel prove that fact, and you can find it all here,

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lo...pelofJudas.pdf

And already the Gospels of Bernaba aprove what I said too,

Barnabas.net

What about the Trinity is it right..??

O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender. (Quran 4:171)

Oo and about saying Jesus is a Muslim....??

First you should know whats the meaning of a Muslim...??

Muslim means many meanings , first the word is taken from the word (Salam) meaning Peace,and it refers also to those who submist them selvies to God , listen to his orders and follow it, and the Muslims believe in One God Only, and its not mentioned in Torah nor Bible that God named any of them as Christians or Jews, the Christians was named that name as an Insult at 49 AC, like the Christians love called the Muslims Muhammedians,

And about that Only Muslims go to heaven , well Judism say that no Jews will be in heaven , But Talmud even Call all the huminity but Jews as God , not only that , it even says respecting the dogs is required more than respecting the non-Jews, In Christianty ,it says no Salvation without Baptizing , after you get Baptized you will go to heaven whatever u do , just say "Jesus is my savior" , then u r not supposed to do anything , u r going for heaven , u have a savior , so if u mistaked and raped , or killed , do not worry , you still have a savior.
And thats what Joseph Estes"the X-American Preacher" said , when a Catholic Tv asked him , what make him convert into Islam,

YouTube - - A Catholic TV asked Yusuf Estes- Why he Converted to Islam!

And again I explained how non Muslims go to heaven, (the People of Fetrah or period ) In Islam, it means those people , who lived away from Islam , and never knew it , and those people who lived among Muslims , but their abilities couldnt help them to get it, and those people who died before Islam comming,God test those people and send them to heaven , but for the Children , God says that he borns them beliving in One God , but then their families change their faithes, so they r in heaven if they died before being adaults, and thats the problem about Christiannt , where every kid is born in the kingdom of Satan , as they believe , and to get salvation to get saved moving to the Kingdom of God , he should get Baptized , but what if he died in abortion, or died before baptizing ....He go to Hell

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In Christianty,Its kinda confussing is Jesus a prophet , a God , or what...??

Luke 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
He was send (by the God )
Luke 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Even Jesus admited that he is not a God , he admited admited,
Matthew 19:16 - And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 - And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

aint that enough to understand that he was not a God , and he is just a great prophet......

Some may say , but why Jesus was saying my father , my father alot...??
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
The word God was not use in the normal meaning we use, its mentioned for example like in,
Genesis 45: 8 So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.
Here was Joseph talking ,
Job 29: 16 I was a father to the poor: and the cause which I knew not I searched out.
here was Job talking.
Another thing, do you know when the Church spreaded the faith that Jesus a son for God ....??
that was at 325, and the Catholic enclyopedia says that the saints were forced to accept it ,under the power of the Greek Empire.
In addition to the known corruption,the Bible passed, it was already banned to be readed by the public for Centeries and Centeries....
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
How a God does not know the day of Judgement...??
and how the Holy Spirit does not know...??
Because its just an Angel , God used to make it support the prophets.
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
How Jesus is a God , has a God....

We Can Focus on discussing Jesus in the three Abrahmic religions as a start

[spot]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

Thats completely wrong Spot ,

[...]

We Can Focus on discussing Jesus in the three Abrahmic religions as a start

I'd quite like to but I don't know what you're saying is wrong, not why you think it. Just reading your included texts didn't explain what you think. Skip the texts for a moment and just tell me what's wrong with what I wrote.

Jewish position: Jesus was a man who was killed and stayed dead - that looks true, to me

because the Jews have no central belief regarding heaven - that looks true, to me

Those Jews who choose to believe in heaven think all good people go there - that looks true, to me

Muslim position: Jesus was a prophet who was killed and went to heaven - that looks true, to me

Muslims are big on heaven - that looks true, to me

Jesus was a Muslim because only Muslims go to heaven - that looks true, to me

What I wrote about Christians is quite certainly true, just ask one.

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by spot

I'd quite like to but I don't know what you're saying is wrong, not why you think it. Just reading your included texts didn't explain what you think. Skip the texts for a moment and just tell me what's wrong with what I wrote.

Jewish position: Jesus was a man who was killed and stayed dead - that looks true, to me

because the Jews have no central belief regarding heaven - that looks true, to me

Those Jews who choose to believe in heaven think all good people go there - that looks true, to me

Muslim position: Jesus was a prophet who was killed and went to heaven - that looks true, to me

Muslims are big on heaven - that looks true, to me

Jesus was a Muslim because only Muslims go to heaven - that looks true, to me

What I wrote about Christians is quite certainly true, just ask one.

I quoted text to prove what I mentioned about Jewish,Christians and Muslims.
For example you said Jews believe that everybody go to heaven ,but no evidence , while the Talmud says,

Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
Where a Jew Should Do Evil



Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Insults Against Blessed Mary

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young

A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

Jesus in the Talmud:

Horrible Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ

While it is the standard disinformation practice of apologists for the Talmud to deny that it contains any scurrilous references to Jesus Christ, certain Orthodox Jewish organizations are more forthcoming and admit that the Talmud not only mentions Jesus but disparages him (as a sorcerer and a demented sex freak). These orthodox Jewish organizations make this admission perhaps out of the belief that Jewish supremacy is so well-established in the modern world that they need not concern themselves with adverse reactions.

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Originally Posted by spot

Muslim position: Jesus was a prophet who was killed and went to heaven - that looks true, to me

Muslims are big on heaven - that looks true, to me

Jesus was a Muslim because only Muslims go to heaven - that looks true, to me

It aint about what looks true and not true for u , its about what the Islamic scriptures say,
Like You said Muslims believe that Jesus was killed, while our scriptures say,

And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. (Quran 4:157)

In the Gospel of Judah , thats it orginal comes back to the third Century as Old as Matthew Gosples and Others, that Gospel prove that fact, and you can find it all here,

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lo...pelofJudas.pdf

And already the Gospels of Bernaba aprove what I said too,

Barnabas.net

And u said Only Muslims goes to heaven , while thats the Jewish and Christian view , not the Islamic at all , and I explained the meaning of the peole of Fetrah so much.

Peace for you sister

[spot]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

And u said Only Muslims goes to heaven , while thats the Jewish and Christian view , not the Islamic at all , and I explained the meaning of the peole of Fetrah so much.

There we are, that's something I didn't know and now I do.

You quoted "Jews Have Superior Legal Status" - would you agree that within Islamic legal systems men have Superior Legal Status when compared to women, and Muslims have Superior Legal Status when compared to non-Muslims, or am I mistaken there too? I don't think there's a Christian equivalent to that sense of superiority within the law.

The People of Fetrah are "those people who lived away from Islam and never knew it, and those people who lived among Muslims but their abilities couldn't help them to get it, and those people who died before Islam came" (though I can't find any other reference on Google to The People of Fetrah other than yours - perhaps there's a spelling error there?). Is that supported within the Qur'an or is it a more recent declaration? Some Christians make a very similar declaration but as a doctrine, not as a biblical text.