Abrahmic religions discussion.Invitation for a Jew , christian and Muslim to discuss

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by spot

There we are, that's something I didn't know and now I do.

You quoted "Jews Have Superior Legal Status" - would you agree that within Islamic legal systems men have Superior Legal Status when compared to women, and Muslims have Superior Legal Status when compared to non-Muslims, or am I mistaken there too? I don't think there's a Christian equivalent to that sense of superiority within the law.

The People of Fetrah are "those people who lived away from Islam and never knew it, and those people who lived among Muslims but their abilities couldn't help them to get it, and those people who died before Islam came" (though I can't find any other reference on Google to The People of Fetrah other than yours - perhaps there's a spelling error there?). Is that supported within the Qur'an or is it a more recent declaration? Some Christians make a very similar declaration but as a doctrine, not as a biblical text.

First Let me comment over your searching for (اهل الفترة) I went to the verse , and searched for the Explination,Quran says,

Whosoever goeth right, it is only for (the good of) his own soul that he goeth right, and whosoever erreth, erreth only to its hurt. No laden soul can bear another's load, We never punish until we have sent a messenger. (Quran 17:15)

Firstly ,thats a Hadith from Abu Hurayrah He said that the Messenger of Allah said:
(Every newborn is born in a state of Fitrah (the natural state of man), then his parents make him into a Jew or Christian or Zoroastrian, as animals produce whole animals - do you see any that is born mutilated (with something missing)) According to one report they said: "O Messenger of Allah, what about those who die when they are little'' He said,(Allah knows best what they would have done.) Imam Ahmad reported from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet () as far as I know - the narrator was not sure if it was attributed to Musa - said: (The children of the Muslims are in Paradise, being taken care of by Ibrahim.) In Sahih Muslim it is reported from `Iyyad bin Hammad that the Messenger of Allah said that Allah said:
(I have created My servants as Hunafa.) According to another version, the wording is "as Muslims.''

And Muslims here refers to their believing in One God ,when they came to life, when u ask a little baby about God , he knows only One , not a Trinity .

And the Second Hadith talking about the People of Fitrah says,

(There are four who will present their case on the Day of Resurrection: a deaf man who never heard anything, an insane man, a very old and senile man, and a man who died during the Fatrah. As for the deaf man, he will say, "O Lord, Islam came but I never heard anything.'' As for the insane man, he will say, "O Lord, Islam came and the young boys were throwing camel dung at me.'' As for the senile man, he will say, "O Lord, Islam came and I did not understand anything.'' As for the one who died during the Fatrah, he will say, "O Lord, no Messenger from You came to me.'' Allah will accept their pledge of obedience to Him, then He will send word to them that they should enter the Fire. By the One in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, if they enter it, it will be cool and safe for them.) There is a similar report with a chain from Qatadah from Al-Hasan from Abu Rafi` from Abu Hurayrah, but at the end it says: (Whoever enters it will find it cool and safe, and whoever does not enter it will be dragged into it.) This was also recorded by Ishaq bin Rahwayh from Mu`adh bin Hisham, and by Al-Bayhaqi in Al-I`tiqad. He said: "This is a Sahih chain.'' It was reported by Ibn Jarir from the Hadith of Ma`mar from Hammam from Abu Hurayrah, who attributed it to the Prophet . Then Abu Hurayrah said: "Recite, if you wish: (And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning) ).'' This was also narrated by Ma`mar from `Abdullah bin Tawus from his father, from Abu Hurayrah, but it is Mauquf (it was not attributed directly to the Prophet ).

Thans all for the comment over the People of Fitrah.

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by spot

There we are, that's something I didn't know and now I do.

You quoted "Jews Have Superior Legal Status" - would you agree that within Islamic legal systems men have Superior Legal Status when compared to women, and Muslims have Superior Legal Status when compared to non-Muslims, or am I mistaken there too? I don't think there's a Christian equivalent to that sense of superiority within the law.

I quoted how the Jews look at the Non-Jews as almost non human,

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.


Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."


Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."


Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."


Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

And about the Women in Judism,

Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.

Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.On one of his whorehouse romps, Rabbi Eleazar leanred that there was one particular prostitute residing in a whorehouse near the sea, who would receive a bag of money for her services. He took a bag of money and went to her, crossing seven rivers to do so. During their intercourse the prostitute farted. After this the whore told Rabbi Eleazar: "Just as this gas will never return to my anus, Rabbi Eleazar will never get to heaven."


Gittin 69b. To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."

And Even Kids,

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

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And about that in an Islamic country, Muslims have Superior Legal Status , thats wrong completely too , first Quran says,

O ye who believe! Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity, and let not hatred of any people seduce you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to your duty. Observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do. (Quran 5:8)

Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers. (Quran 60:8)

Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him). (Quran 9:4)

Fulfil the covenant of Allah when ye have covenanted, and break not your oaths after the asseveration of them, and after ye have made Allah surety over you. Lo! Allah knoweth what ye do. (Quran 16:91)

I think clearly ,you can see the difference between the Islamic teachings and the Jewish ones.

and about the Historic of treating the non-Muslims in the Islamic goverments , you can read here,

Treating the Non-Muslims

What the Muslims were giving the non-Muslims of rights...???

That was What Umar ibn al-Khattab ,

In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Beneficent. This is what the slave of Allah, Umar b.Al-Khattab, the Amir of the believers, has offered the people of Illyaa’[1] of security granting them Amaan (protection) for their selves, their money, their churches, their children, their lowly and their innocent, and the remainder of their people.
Their churches are not to be taken, nor are they to be destroyed, nor are they to be degraded or belittled, neither are their crosses or their money, and they are not to be forced to change their religion, nor is any one of them to be harmed.

No Jews are to live with them in Illyaa’ and it is required of the people of Illyaa’ to pay the Jizya, like the people of the cities. It is also required of them to remove the Romans from the land; and whoever amongst the people of Illyaa’ that wishes to depart with their money together with the Romans, leaving their trading goods and children behind, then they selves, their trading goods and their children are secure until they reach their destination.

Upon what is in this book is the word of Allah, the covenant of His Messenger, of the Khulafaa’ and of the believers if they (the people of Illyaa’) gave what was required of them of Jizya.

The witnesses upon this were Khalid ibn Al-Walid, 'Amr ibn al-'As, Abdur Rahman bin Awf and Muawiyah ibn Abi Sufyan. Written and passed on the 15th year (after Hijrah)

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

Salam,Shalom for you all

The Abrahmic religions, Judism,Christianty, and Islam ,they all call for being from the same source , but none accept what came after it , like Judism refuse Islam and Christianty , and Christianty refuse Islam ,and Islam found nothing to refuse he came at the end....

Is there any relation between them , Or nothing at all as Athiests say....??

I wish discussing here with a practise Jew and practise Christiant,about the main common points between us , like God , laws, and the eternal life...

Wish you the best

Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah, but they do believe Jesus died. They do not believe Jesus rose from the dead. Jews believe that the Messiah will come someday in the future and build the third Temple. Jews do not accept Christianity, or Islam. They do not believe Muhammad was a prophet.

Christians (orthodox) believe Jesus is the Messiah; that his message was for all mankind, for Jews and Gentiles. Christians believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead and will come again to judge all. Christians believe no one will come to the Father, except through Jesus; they believe he is the only way.

Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, a great prophet, but nothing more; they do not believe Jesus died on the cross, nor do they believe he was put on the cross; the majority of Muslims believe someone else was crucified in place of Jesus, that Allah put Jesus' face on someone else and the someone else was crucified; Muslims do not believe Jesus rose from the dead, but that Allah saved him and took him to heaven.

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

Thats completely wrong Spot ,

In Judism ,the Talmud say that Jesus is a son of Who** ,
Insults Against Blessed Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Jesus is burning in hell in "boiling hot semen". By Willie Martin
Judaism - Talmud
Parts 9 through 16
By Willie Martin

They even call Jesus as Ben Pendara , and say that Pendara is a Greek solider who slept with Mary "And sure thats one of the follest lie ever" .

The Talmud is not scripture and it might make a Christian sad to hear Jews call Mary names, but it should not affect their love of Jews.

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

And already the Gospels of Bernaba aprove what I said too,

It's a forgery, Abram.

Don't get duped.

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

And already the Gospels of Bernaba aprove what I said too,

Forgery proof:

The Forgery of the Gospel of Barnabas

The Gospel of Barnabas

Origins and Sources of the Gospel of Barnabas

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

In the Gospel of Judah , thats it orginal comes back to the third Century as Old as Matthew Gosples and Others, that Gospel prove that fact, and you can find it all here,

Matthew, Mark, and Luke were written in the first century before the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD.

John was written 85AD plus or minus.

The Gospel of Judas is not Christian, but Gnostic, written much, much later than the true Gospels.

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

Now about Killing Jesus , where its approved from Christians scriptures that Jesus was not killed and his likeness was clothed to another student....??

In the Gospel of Judah , thats it orginal comes back to the third Century as Old as Matthew Gosples and Others, that Gospel prove that fact, and you can find it all here,

Where in the Gospel of Judas does it say that Jesus was not killed?

Where do you get that idea from the Gospel of Judas?

Where in Christian scriptures does it say that Jesus was not killed?

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

In Christianty,Its kinda confussing is Jesus a prophet , a God , or what...??

What is so confusing? Jesus was a prophet, the son of David, the son of Man, the Messiah, the incarnate Word of God. Jesus was all of them.

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

Another thing, do you know when the Church spreaded the faith that Jesus a son for God ....??
that was at 325

Not true. There are many Trinitarian quotes prior to 325AD. The Trinity is based on Scriptures.