Abrahmic religions discussion.Invitation for a Jew , christian and Muslim to discuss

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

The Jews before u also said that Jesus aint the Messiah , and now as they denied Jesus , u do ur best to deny Muhamed PBUH , by the way , just look at the link.

What does that have to do with where Paren is?

Here is a map of Paren and you will see it is not in Saudi Arabia.

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[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

Well , friend
In Quran , God never asked for killing kids,women,and aged,

Allah killed men, women and children in Sodom and Gomorrah and the people in the flood.

Muhammad was not above killing children.

Recorded in both Bukhari and Sahih Muslim:

It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: “They are from them.” (Sahih Muslim 4322, see also Bukhari 52:256)

Muhammad drew a distinction between Muslim and non-Muslim children and said that it would be permissible to kill a child who has no prospect of accepting Islam:

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside. (Sahih Muslim 4457)

After capturing Mecca, Muhammad ordered the execution of two “singing girls” who had mocked him in verse:

“…two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed…” (Ibn Ishaq 819)

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by Samuel

Allah killed men, women and children in Sodom and Gomorrah and the people in the flood.

Aint that story in the Bible Or im confused
and we will take time discussing it , but let me focuse on the sexy َQuestion u asked

Originally Posted by Samuel

Muhammad was not above killing children.

Recorded in both Bukhari and Sahih Muslim:

It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: “They are from them.” (Sahih Muslim 4322, see also Bukhari 52:256)

Again repeating My self for You

Sanction (to fight) is given unto those who fight because they have been wronged; and Allah is indeed Able to give them victory; (39) Those who have been driven from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is Allah - For had it not been for Allah's repelling some men by means of others, cloisters and churches and oratories and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down. Verily Allah helpeth one who helpeth Him. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty - (Quran 22:40)

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. (Quran 2:190)

The prophet used to advise the Army those 10 advises,
I advise you ten things| Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly.”

And thats ur Hadith,



I do not know , how u couldnt see the Other two after it , anyways in Islam , you can never find an order of killing kids , like ur Bible, and u even see Islam prevent it everywhere, and in the Hadith , u mentioned ,something u do not know , when two Armys fight used to fight in the Arabian desert , before Islam , they used to bring their kids and women with them to the land of the battle , as encouragement for them to win, and the Muslims asked the prophet can we fight them at night , and they will be a probability that women and kids be in danger [probablity] ,no ur Yahew says kill kids, women and and and, U compare by ur self,

Ezekiel 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. 7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city

It known that any war has civilian victims , but the point are those civilians got killed on puropose or not, in ur Bible , its on purpose



[quote=Samuel;1220888]
Muhammad drew a distinction between Muslim and non-Muslim children and said that it would be permissible to kill a child who has no prospect of accepting Islam:

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside. (Sahih Muslim 4457)

(2) This tradition has been narrated by the game authority (Yazid b. Hurmus) through a different chain of transmitters with the following difference in the elucidation of one of the points raised by Najda in his letter to Ibn Abas: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside. (Book #019, Hadith #4457)

One of two , U cant read , or u cant understand ,the Hadith talks here about a story of a man called Khadir and his story with prophet Moses , it aint written in ur corrupted Book, as we will mention its corruption in time , and God gave that man the ability to know the future,and the prophet here simply , donot kill any kid , u do not know ,what he will be when he grow up , coz he may be a greater Muslim, sir

Originally Posted by Samuel

After capturing Mecca, Muhammad ordered the execution of two “singing girls” who had mocked him in verse:

“…two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed…” (Ibn Ishaq 819)

thats the Hadith in Arabic

وكانت له قينتان فرتنى وصاحبتها ، وكانتا تغنيان بهجاء رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فأمر رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بقتلهما معه . والحويرث بن نقيذ بن وهب بن عبد بن قصي ، وكان ممن يؤذيه بمكة .

and قينتان means harolt women [bought] slaves , if its easily for u to understand,they were singing mocking God , and his messanger,قينتان aint girls ,Sir

They were moacking Islam, while God , and his messanger, in the country in Islam,where they live among Muslims, and Meccah aint captured friend, its the place where God orderd Abram to build his house , and when God order the believer to open it , that aint capturing ....and already the Muslims who opened it , are the Muslims were kicked out of it , when they converted into Islam, and lastly there was nothing called Occuption that Era,there was no political system , nor boards, it was tribes living in the desert living under changeable powers, and Islam for the first time established a country..

Compare that and ur Bible

[Abram Is Muslim]

Originally Posted by Samuel

What does that have to do with where Paren is?

Here is a map of Paren and you will see it is not in Saudi Arabia.

Bible Study - Wilderness Journey

hey friend what a cute historical map , hey do u want me to draw u a map making Paran in NC , read more about MT-Sinia , and where they think it lies nowadays

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

hey friend what a cute historical map , hey do u want me to draw u a map making Paran in NC , read more about MT-Sinia , and where they think it lies nowadays

The biblical Paran is in the Sinai Peninsula as the map clearly shows.

[Samuel]

[quote=Abram Is Muslim;1221176]Aint that story in the Bible Or im confused
and we will take time discussing it , but let me focuse on the sexy َQuestion u asked




Again repeating My self for You

Sanction (to fight) is given unto those who fight because they have been wronged; and Allah is indeed Able to give them victory; (39) Those who have been driven from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is Allah - For had it not been for Allah's repelling some men by means of others, cloisters and churches and oratories and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down. Verily Allah helpeth one who helpeth Him. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty - (Quran 22:40)

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. (Quran 2:190)

The prophet used to advise the Army those 10 advises,
I advise you ten things| Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly.”

And thats ur Hadith,



I do not know , how u couldnt see the Other two after it , anyways in Islam , you can never find an order of killing kids , like ur Bible, and u even see Islam prevent it everywhere, and in the Hadith , u mentioned ,something u do not know , when two Armys fight used to fight in the Arabian desert , before Islam , they used to bring their kids and women with them to the land of the battle , as encouragement for them to win, and the Muslims asked the prophet can we fight them at night , and they will be a probability that women and kids be in danger [probablity] ,no ur Yahew says kill kids, women and and and, U compare by ur self,

Ezekiel 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. 7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city

It known that any war has civilian victims , but the point are those civilians got killed on puropose or not, in ur Bible , its on purpose

Originally Posted by Samuel

Muhammad drew a distinction between Muslim and non-Muslim children and said that it would be permissible to kill a child who has no prospect of accepting Islam:

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside. (Sahih Muslim 4457)

Liar bad to be that age and lie Mr,



One of two , U cant read , or u cant understand ,the Hadith talks here about a story of a man called Khadir and his story with prophet Moses , it aint written in ur corrupted Book, as we will mention its corruption in time , and God gave that man the ability to know the future,and the prophet here simply , donot kill any kid , u do not know ,what he will be when he grow up , coz he may be a greater Muslim, sir




Lieing again
thats the Hadith in Arabic

وكانت له قينتان فرتنى وصاحبتها ، وكانتا تغنيان بهجاء رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فأمر رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بقتلهما معه . والحويرث بن نقيذ بن وهب بن عبد بن قصي ، وكان ممن يؤذيه بمكة .

and قينتان means harolt women [bought] slaves , if its easily for u to understand,they were singing mocking God , and his messanger,قينتان aint girls ,Sir

They were moacking Islam, while God , and his messanger, in the country in Islam,where they live among Muslims, and Meccah aint captured friend, its the place where God orderd Abram to build his house , and when God order the believer to open it , that aint capturing ....and already the Muslims who opened it , are the Muslims were kicked out of it , when they converted into Islam, and lastly there was nothing called Occuption that Era,there was no political system , nor boards, it was tribes living in the desert living under changeable powers, and Islam for the first time established a country..

Compare that and ur Bible

I don't appreciate being called a liar. Our conversations are over.

Good day to you.

[Abram Is Muslim]

[quote=Samuel;1221473]

Originally Posted by Abram Is Muslim

Aint that story in the Bible Or im confused
and we will take time discussing it , but let me focuse on the sexy َQuestion u asked




Again repeating My self for You

Sanction (to fight) is given unto those who fight because they have been wronged; and Allah is indeed Able to give them victory; (39) Those who have been driven from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is Allah - For had it not been for Allah's repelling some men by means of others, cloisters and churches and oratories and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down. Verily Allah helpeth one who helpeth Him. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty - (Quran 22:40)

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. (Quran 2:190)

The prophet used to advise the Army those 10 advises,
I advise you ten things| Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly.”

And thats ur Hadith,



I do not know , how u couldnt see the Other two after it , anyways in Islam , you can never find an order of killing kids , like ur Bible, and u even see Islam prevent it everywhere, and in the Hadith , u mentioned ,something u do not know , when two Armys fight used to fight in the Arabian desert , before Islam , they used to bring their kids and women with them to the land of the battle , as encouragement for them to win, and the Muslims asked the prophet can we fight them at night , and they will be a probability that women and kids be in danger [probablity] ,no ur Yahew says kill kids, women and and and, U compare by ur self,

Ezekiel 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. 7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city

It known that any war has civilian victims , but the point are those civilians got killed on puropose or not, in ur Bible , its on purpose





I don't appreciate being called a liar. Our conversations are over.

Good day to you.

Im sorry , and I didnt mean it , Im really indeed sorry