How Great is the Darkness.

[Mickiel]

Romans 7 is a good study. Paul was going through some serious changes, but he was chosen and converted, I am no such thing. But I still can relate to sin having its way with you. You got all these pristine christians walking around here as if they are sinless, makes a sinner like me think that the standards of being a believer are just too high to reach. But I don't base repentance on christian example or belief, I base it on Gods goodness. Romans 2:4 shows that the Goodness and Kindness of God is what leads people to repent, not this hell message christians are trying to intimidate sinners with.

Living in the Darkness I am aquainted with sin and evil, I can see it not just in myself, but in others, often when they themselves act as if they cannot see it. Really its just that they don't want to see it. In Rom. 7:14 Paul said I am of the Flesh, " Sold into bondage to sin." Well that is plain, we are sold into sins bondage ( of course this excludes those who feel themselves free). Sold, and made a slave. Which means humanity is bound, but who sold humanity into sin? Back to Romans 11:32;" For GOD has shut up all men in disobedience." Hey listen, it was God who did this, and only God can undo it. And he has started sins undoing already through Christ death.

But I want to go into the trap of the Darkness.

Peace.

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by Mickiel

Romans 7 is a good study. Paul was going through some serious changes, but he was chosen and converted, I am no such thing. But I still can relate to sin having its way with you. You got all these pristine christians walking around here as if they are sinless, makes a sinner like me think that the standards of being a believer are just too high to reach. But I don't base repentance on christian example or belief, I base it on Gods goodness. Romans 2:4 shows that the Goodness and Kindness of God is what leads people to repent, not this hell message christians are trying to intimidate sinners with.

Living in the Darkness I am aquainted with sin and evil, I can see it not just in myself, but in others, often when they themselves act as if they cannot see it. Really its just that they don't want to see it. In Rom. 7:14 Paul said I am of the Flesh, " Sold into bondage to sin." Well that is plain, we are sold into sins bondage ( of course this excludes those who feel themselves free). Sold, and made a slave. Which means humanity is bound, but who sold humanity into sin? Back to Romans 11:32;" For GOD has shut up all men in disobedience." Hey listen, it was God who did this, and only God can undo it. And he has started sins undoing already through Christ death.

But I want to go into the trap of the Darkness.

Peace.

I don't know of any Christian who does not believe he is a sinner. All of us are tempted by sin and we can never measure up to the goodness of God.

If we could be as good as God, then He would have had no reason to send Jesus and Jesus need not have died for us.

[Mickiel]

The Darkness is so Great, so strong, it is impossible for human will or choice or belief to pull you out of its grip. This is why I believe free will to be christian crap. The Darkness is more powerful than human choice, you can choose Jesus all you want, if God does not pull you out of the Darkness, your just going to be a believer than lives in the Darkness. Notice again Jesus in John 6:44, and remember its better to listen to Jesus than to listen to a christian; " No ONE can COME to me, ( or escape the Darkness) unless the Father who sent me DRAWS him." Draw, or pull you out of it. This is the only Jesus spoken way for a human to be converted, it has nothing to do with the humans choice, the humans will, the humans faith, the humans strength, how " good" the human is or how " bad" they are, its all on God the Father. Salvation is based on God alone, but christians would have you think its based on your human performance, because they view themselves as being so righteous, that they leave God no choice but to call them. So they turn Salvation into a call of the righteous, instead of a call of sinner to repentance.

Again Jesus in Matt. 9:13;" Go and LEARN what this means; I desire Compassion and not sacrifice; I DIDNOT come to call the Righteous, but I came for the Sinners." This is Jesus expressed mission, he came to earth to get the unbelievers. His salvation is for sinners. Who is a sinner? ALL have sinned,thus his Salvation is for ALL! Now christians will tell you its ONLY for those who choose it, or those who live their lives " good enough". Or those who supposedly come out of the Darkness by their sheer will. No, no! Jesus didNOT teach that salvation is only for believers, christians teach that. christians didnot make the supreme sacrifice, Christ did, he is the Lord of Salvation, not any group who profess to follow him. But the Darkness has purposely clouded this issue. christians are running around teaching their own interpitation of the Light, not knowing they are enveloped by the Darkness. And this is WHY their light has failed to convert humanity.

And I want to go into how the Darkness can make you see things that are not.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

In the later part of 1John 2:11 it talks about why people are blind to the truth, because the Darkness has blinded them. I no longer ask myself why I do not understand the truth, the bible, the secret things of God , its because of this Darkness. This power is the power of deception and blindness. One of the most egotistical ways of thinking that exist in human nature, is the belief that we are not deceived, the arrogance that we cannot be blinded, the gall of thinking that God himself is leading us. Like an unsuspected acid rain, the Darkness has covered this earth, and its inhabitants don't even know it.

And satan has religion up front leading his assualt on keeping his grip unknown.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

The Darkness is run by satan and his demons, and they are not ignorant. In James 2:19, it says that demons believe in God and fear him. Read it, its right there to see. Now understand, they believe, because God created them and they have more insight to God than humans do. Although demons are the arcitech of Atheism, or humans who do not believe, they themselves believe. They just do not " Agree with God." Unbelief is only " A human thing", its not a demon thing, its a demonic tactic imposed upon humans.

demons defintely believe in God, they KNOW he exist, their job is to place doubt on that within humanity. And that basically is the relationship demons have with humanity, to distort and deceive, in and by any means nescersary. In my relationship with them, I can see this aittitude that they have. I think they already know they can't win, so they seek to " Spoil and disrupt", and that is their existence. Any being who has been allowed to know some of Gods Power, like they have, will know that God cannot be defeated. So the Darkness is not " At War with God", it is in disagreement with him. They believe we should be free to be evil and sinful, and are stressing that point heavily to mankind. They are more into free will than God is.

What God is showing is the ultimate result of freely doing evil. And that result is always destruction.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Now its hard to pass judgement now as to the complette results of evil, because evil is dominant now. It just masks its dominance, in me and you. It does not want you to know that you live under it. It wants you to go on thinking like you do, unaware of its dominance. 1Corinth. 4:5;" Therefore do not go on passing judgement before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the Darkness and disclose the motives of mens hearts."

The Darkness hides itself, God hides himself, Jesus is not here, and the Holy Spirit is rare, so humanity is just destined to have a hard time of it. And I will get back to this later, because its important , but its a Godly design.

The Darkness has the power to mask itself, even in the Heart of the person being deceived and engulfed by it. It has done this to me. For years the Darkness had me in an illusion that I was being called by God and was Special. Oh how the human heart loves to think that. This is a favorite, strong powerful tactic of the Darkness. Appeal directly to the human ego and desire, give it what it wants, and leave it in that illusion all of its life. Like a baby being pacified, this human will be no more threat to the Darkness the rest of its life. Just rub it, pacify it, stroke its ego over and over and over again.

Give the Atheist what it wants, the believer what it wants, get them in the corner of their own little world, and lock them there in peace. This is the Power of the Darkness.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

[sharedfastlane]

I agree there is plenty to find fault with in Religion and what Religious people claim.
You are NOT alone in being in darkness and not living well. that's why Jesus had to pay a price for us with his blood.

You CAN come into the light. God has NEVER ignored me , never. He is way more compassionate and understanding than even the bible might lead us to believe., as well as His other side.

How you get to " feel " better I'm not sure, but your relationship with Him will be unique of course. Can you share some specifics with someone - you can pm me if you like. I can sense you do not want to be judged or patronised, but may I say that sometimes what we focus on is what dominates - i.e. the very real thick darkness in this world. If we want to know the other side it is next to where the darkness is. When I've been seemingly locked in the darkness it feels I will NEVER feel like a regular person again, that happier times are way passed, but that's me getting exhausted by it and overthinking and believing a lie.

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by sharedfastlane

I agree there is plenty to find fault with in Religion and what Religious people claim.
You are NOT alone in being in darkness and not living well. that's why Jesus had to pay a price for us with his blood.

You CAN come into the light. God has NEVER ignored me , never. He is way more compassionate and understanding than even the bible might lead us to believe., as well as His other side.

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Well you are very fortunate indeed, God ignores me for sure. He still maintains my life everyday, takes care of me, things could be a lot worse. The ignoring I mean is not giving me his Holy Spirit, and the Fruits of it. Not giving me complette understanding of his word, and not releasing me from the Darkness, although he certainly constrains the Darkness in my Life, but he still has me bonded over to it. I cannot come into the Light, and no human can of their own will and choice, that is a fantasy. God must first give the Light, or draw the human to him. Even still one can be called, but still not chosen.

Religion is just teaching that we can choose ourselves, annoint ourselfs, come into the light on our own. I disagree with that, and see it nowhere in scripture.

Peace.

[sharedfastlane]

The Darkness has the power to mask itself, even in the Heart of the person being deceived and engulfed by it. It has done this to me. For years the Darkness had me in an illusion that I was being called by God and was Special. Oh how the human heart loves to think that. This is a favorite, strong powerful tactic of the Darkness. Appeal directly to the human ego and desire, give it what it wants, and leave it in that illusion all of its life. Like a baby being pacified, this human will be no more threat to the Darkness the rest of its life. Just rub it, pacify it, stroke its ego over and over and over again.

Give the Atheist what it wants, the believer what it wants, get them in the corner of their own little world, and lock them there in peace. This is the Power of the Darkness.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.[/quote]
Why do you no longer feel you are special? I have spent a lot of years believing things that were a bit skewed, but * I* feel I did my best, a person can't be perfect.

Where I'm at today is that I think studying the Bible alone without Holy Spirit input is not the most rewarding - it's just dead rules. Danger of all the Spirit filled this and that is it is all open to interpretaion of course. Stupid though the church is, there's truth still in it.

Some times we go through darkness but we can also imbibe a negativity that we are unaware of affecting our belief. This is *us* imprisoning ourselves, not God punishing us

What's behind your comments on understanding the darkness? Shouldn't we shun it- turn the " light" on rather. If we can't shouldn't we fnd someone who can see us through the sticky patch?

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by sharedfastlane

Peace.

Why do you no longer feel you are special? I have spent a lot of years believing things that were a bit skewed, but * I* feel I did my best, a person can't be perfect.quote

I am not special, I am an average human, maybe below average, but thats me, I accept that. Part of the new age wave being imposed on people nowadays, is the elevation of their ego. An everage elevation is fine, but an overblown elevation I think is dangerous. We are bombarded with things like; You can be rich, you are the one, you are the King, the head, you are the most bueatiful person in your city, you will never fail, God will place you anywhere you ask, and it goes on and on, and the ego will grow on and on. It becomes a tital wave of self, and will ride you to some shores of self. I don't think a person should think more highly of themselves than what they really are. And the bible advises that. Romans 12:3.

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Some times we go through darkness but we can also imbibe a negativity that we are unaware of affecting our belief. This is *us* imprisoning ourselves, not God punishing us. quote

I beg to differ. God has absolute control over humanity, we just like to think that we control ourselves. It is not possible for a person to be something God does not want them to be, conversely, it is not possible for a person to not be something God wants them to be. We are not manipulating ourselves. Jeremiah 10:23;" I know, O Lord, that a mans way is not in himself; nor is it in a man who walks to direct his own steps." This is what I believe, its just not in us to direct our own path. God gives the path, and we just take that to mean we went on the path on our own.


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What's behind your comments on understanding the darkness? Shouldn't we shun it- turn the " light" on rather. If we can't shouldn't we fnd someone who can see us through the sticky patch?[/quote]

Well two things I see here, the selfish aittitude that we think we are so powerful, that our will is so strong, that WE can " Turn on Gods Light, as if we control God." Secondly, the thought that if we cannot do it, then another human can.

And I do not subscribe to either thought. Whats behind my comments on the Darkness, if you read what I have already stated, I know the Darkness because I live in it. Its a part of me, it controls me, it influences me. And I am keenly aware of this.

Peace.