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    Re: Is God Real?

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    Because they were traditionally taught it by others who believe it. Its as simple as that.

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    I know I or anyone I know was never taught that. Can you show me the teachings your talking about?

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    Re: Is God Real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    I know I or anyone I know was never taught that. Can you show me the teachings your talking about?
    Well you can find them for yourself, theres thousands of examples on the internet, just type in ape to human evolution. There are sites like ecotao.com, wisdomworld.org, trumpettracts,com, edwardtbabinski.us. And many more, You can look at time magazines articles from august 23, 1999 entitled " Up from the Apes." The teaching has been very popular and deeply entrenched.

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    Re: Is God Real?

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    Consciousness then is proof of God, we cannot be continious with things that are lesser than ourselves, or, we were not born from things which were not conscious themselves. Such as apes, apes are not conscious beings, and we are not continious with the idiot hierarchy of speechless apes. They are lesser than we are, inferior. We came from a superior source, not an inferior source. This must be understood. Contained in Consciousness is culture, religion, memory, emotions, characther, language, transportation, civilization, science, all these things come from consciousness, which is why only humans alone are conscious beings. Stunning proof of God, we have all this inbred inside of us, perfect proof of a designer that is conscious himself.

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    Not the old "I think therefore I am" argument. Consciousness proves that you exist and that is all it proves. To prove the existence of god from that startpoint you have to believe in him in the first place and come to the concluscion it is a reasonable belief since you could not have made yourself but it is not one you can prove.

    If god made all things how can you say apes came from an inferior source? If god made all things who are you to decide some of those things are of lesser value than you? It's a convenient arguiment to allow you to slaughter for your own purposes those things that are inferior to you - even better of you construct a belief that they were out there by god for you to use as you see fit and their being inferior makes it all right, even better you could decide that you are god's chosen people and the world is yours.

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    Re: Is God Real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickiel View Post
    Notice I said " Prove to yourself", because thats the best way to approach this thing. Don't try to prove God to others, prove it first to yourself. Its been commonly accepted that God cannot be proven, I dramatically disagree with that. The proof is just not accepted as proof, but if you really want to know, then all things must be examined. And the fact that your consciousness is examining this, I think within itself is proof of God, or a conscious being who gave birth to the human consciousness. Consciousness is proof of God.

    All things reproduce after their own kind, birds give birth to other birds, birds cannot produce elephants. This is a fact of life, and in my view, Consciousness can only produce Consciousness. Only a Conscious being can produce a conscious being. Consciousness couldnot have evolved from anything that is unconscious. That is impossible. We didnot come from an imaginary explosion in a space that came from nowhere. That supposed explosion is an unconscious theory, humanity is a conscious reality. Only life can give birth to life, thus human life itself is proof of God, a living being who created human life.

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    Why do you believe that conciousness cannot have evolved?

    Conciousness is not an on-off switch, there are gradations and degrees of conciousness which, at some point depending on the observer, moves from non-concious to semi-concious to concious.

    Several of the apes have conciousness of self - to a lesser degree than humans it is true but it is there and can be measured.

    You state that conciousness can only come from conciousness and claim the evolution of conciousness to be impossible without explaining why.

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    Re: Is God Real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickiel View Post
    Well you can find them for yourself, theres thousands of examples on the internet, just type in ape to human evolution. There are sites like ecotao.com, wisdomworld.org, trumpettracts,com, edwardtbabinski.us. And many more, You can look at time magazines articles from august 23, 1999 entitled " Up from the Apes." The teaching has been very popular and deeply entrenched.

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    First, Evolutionary Theory does not claim that humans came from Apes, you have a complete but common misunderstanding of the science, which is rampant among religious people who don't bother investigating Evolutionary Theory beyond what other equally uneducated people have to say about it. Second, neither the Times article or the wisdomworld site says anything like you claim they say (I didn't bother with the other 2 because you obviously haven't bothered reading any of them yourself). Third, even if you were correct about the sites you listed, it wouldn't amount to squat because teaching takes place in the classroom of the education system. What schools are teaching that humans came from Apes?

    So, lets try again, shall we. Why is it you suppose others believe humans came from Apes?

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    Re: Is God Real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    So, lets try again, shall we. Why is it you suppose others believe humans came from Apes?
    It was taught at Murray Wright high school in Detroit , Mich, in 1971, I know because I was there. It was taught at Barbour Jr. High in Detroit, that same year. We were given textbooks that taught the theory as fact, in fact many schools in America were teaching it in the 50s, 60s and it began to filter out during the 70s.


    Now, in the year 2010, about 15% of American schools teach both creation and Evolution in the classroom.
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    Now I want to go into Archaeology and how it proves God. The bible speaks of many persons, places and things, and if evidence of those things can be found, then that gives credance to the bible, and to its message, thus its God. Archaeologist have actually found the house of the Apostle Peter, the house of Mary and Martha, the Tomb of Joseph, and the Tomb of Lazarus. All stunning finds, all direct friends of Jesus himself, and we have them all. Incredible evidence of the bibles relevance, and thus more evidence of God.

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    Re: Is God Real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickiel View Post
    It was taught at Murray Wright high school in Detroit , Mich, in 1971, I know because I was there. It was taught at Barbour Jr. High in Detroit, that same year. We were given textbooks that taught the theory as fact, in fact many schools in America were teaching it in the 50s, 60s and it began to filter out during the 70s.

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    First, I doubt that because I read from the same text books you did and thats not what I was taught. Second, its not surprising that that is what you thought they were teaching because you interpreted the Times article to convey the same message, and it said nothing even close to "humans came from Apes".

    Again, if you are going to quote Evolutionary Theory, try understanding it first. Evolutionary Theory does not claim in any way, shape or form that humans "came from" or "evolved from" Apes. We are in fact two different species, that is the conclusion of Evolutionary Theory.

    You picked up your rubbish from other ultra-religious people or web sites, not any informed institution or persons. Am I right about that?

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    Re: Is God Real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickiel View Post
    Now, in the year 2010, about 15% of American schools teach both creation and Evolution in the classroom.
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    If they are public schools, they are breaking the law. Do you just make this up as you go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickiel View Post
    Now I want to go into Archaeology and how it proves God. The bible speaks of many persons, places and things, and if evidence of those things can be found, then that gives credance to the bible, and to its message, thus its God. Archaeologist have actually found the house of the Apostle Peter, the house of Mary and Martha, the Tomb of Joseph, and the Tomb of Lazarus. All stunning finds, all direct friends of Jesus himself, and we have them all. Incredible evidence of the bibles relevance, and thus more evidence of God.

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    I've totally missed the announcements of these finds, could you please point me at the details as I'd be fascinated to see how they identified them.

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