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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
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    I wouldn't restrict it to Christianity, nor would I blame such denigration on those verses entirely.

    Genesis 4:1 "And Adam knew his wife...". Well, at least he didn't marry a total stranger.
    I do not think knew means what you think it does.

    But I do agree that there is more in scriptures that vilify and denigrate women and gays than what I have already put.

    A lot more.

    Shame on those who do not recognize those passages and ignore them for the garbage they are.

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    If you had a sense of humor, you might have got that.
    I got it but instead of just laughing, I decided to also inform on the use of language.

    Get a life.

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I got it but instead of just laughing, I decided to also inform on the use of language.

    Get a life.

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    Maybe you should - it's a sad day when someone can't crack a joke without getting a lecture in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr View Post
    Maybe you should - it's a sad day when someone can't crack a joke without getting a lecture in return.
    Thanks for the lecture. Get a life.

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Thanks for the lecture. Get a life.

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by G#Gill View Post
    DL, you don't seem to be in a good mood ! The sun is shining after the rain, so we can all cheer up !
    But, he seems to really enjoy being a grump. Why take that away from him?
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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    The real "Sin" was not owning up to the mistake. That has continued to be humankind's downfall ever since.
    It wasn't a mistake. A mistake is accidental. This was deliberate. Your synopsis of life on earth is morose, Lars. What downfall are you referring to? We've done great stuff.

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    It wasn't a mistake. A mistake is accidental. This was deliberate.
    mis·take, məˈstāk, noun
    1.
    an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    Your synopsis of life on earth is morose, Lars. What downfall are you referring to? We've done great stuff.
    I'm just working off the story line, is all. The scholars tell us that Eden was Man's downfall.
    The usual Narrative is that they disobeyed, and got punished for that. But really, it was just like when you deal with teen-agers. They will do things that they were told not to do. Denial and blaming others is usually the behavior that gets them in real trouble.
    This story is classic. And all through the Bible, you can see The People doing the same thing. Whenever they screwed up it was always someone else who caused it.
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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Not Hebraic scholars. They see the Garden story as humanity growing up (I'm overly simplifying now). I've explained that here before, and usually regret getting involved in these conversations about imaginary friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    Not Hebraic scholars. They see the Garden story as humanity growing up (I'm overly simplifying now). I've explained that here before, and usually regret getting involved in these conversations about imaginary friends.
    OK, "Christian Scholars" (These days that seems almost oxymoron material, Hmmm? )

    Now I may just have to go read up on it from the Hebraic point of view.
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