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    Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

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    The Original Meaning Of Original Sin The Dish
    Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue, the beneficent hereditary influence of righteous ancestors upon their descendants.
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    Original Sin —*Ayn*Rand Lexicon
    From John Galt's speech, in Atlas Shrugged.
    What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledgehe acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evilhe became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his laborhe became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desirehe acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joyall the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of mans fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he wasthat robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without lovehe was not man.
    Mans fall, according to your teachers, was that he gained the virtues required to live. These virtues, by their standard, are his Sin. His evil, they charge, is that hes man. His guilt, they charge, is that he lives.

    Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
    Gen 3;22 And the LORD God said: 'Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil;

    Do you see Eden as our Original Sin or as our Original Virtue?

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Give us all a break Gnostic........you are getting tiresome now
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Do you see Eden as our Original Sin or as our Original Virtue?
    Since no such place ever existed it's pretty much a moot point.

    Your description of Jewish teaching is fairly accurate though.

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    The real "Sin" was not owning up to the mistake. That has continued to be humankind's downfall ever since.
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Aspam View Post
    Since no such place ever existed it's pretty much a moot point.

    Your description of Jewish teaching is fairly accurate though.
    True that it is all myth but it is a myth that has been used by Christianity to vilify, discriminate and denigrate women and gays forever.

    That is why I do not see this as a moot point to either believers or non-believers.

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    The real "Sin" was not owning up to the mistake. That has continued to be humankind's downfall ever since.
    I goes to more issues, but indeed, you have a good point.

    I see what you describe daily in places like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    Give us all a break Gnostic........you are getting tiresome now
    I see that you do not have the moral sense and intelligence to evaluate the two version.

    Oh well.

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    True that it is all myth but it is a myth that has been used by Christianity to vilify, discriminate and denigrate women and gays forever.
    I wouldn't restrict it to Christianity, nor would I blame such denigration on those verses entirely.

    Genesis 4:1 "And Adam knew his wife...". Well, at least he didn't marry a total stranger.

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Aspam View Post
    I wouldn't restrict it to Christianity, nor would I blame such denigration on those verses entirely.

    Genesis 4:1 "And Adam knew his wife...". Well, at least he didn't marry a total stranger.
    Just as well - there wasn't much in the way of online dating agencies by way to get an introduction.

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    Re: Eden. Original Sin or Original Virtue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Aspam View Post
    I wouldn't restrict it to Christianity, nor would I blame such denigration on those verses entirely.

    Genesis 4:1 "And Adam knew his wife...". Well, at least he didn't marry a total stranger.
    I do not think knew means what you think it does.

    But I do agree that there is more in scriptures that vilify and denigrate women and gays than what I have already put.

    A lot more.

    Shame on those who do not recognize those passages and ignore them for the garbage they are.

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