In God's Name?

capt_buzzard · 07-08-2005, 04:22 PM

According to yesterday's statement from al-Qa'ida ''In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and the dauntless fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him. O nation of Islam and nation of Arabism, Rejoice for it is time to take revenge on the British and Americans.

al-Qa'ida statement yesterday.

But Christians don't do these horrible things to each other either.

telaquapacky · 07-08-2005, 04:24 PM

Can't do in God's name what God Himself would not do.

Scrat · 07-08-2005, 07:25 PM

Christians don't? Hmm. We are definitely guilty of worse things.

The firebombing of Dresden. A totally unnecessary act against a target of no military value .

The attempted genocide of the American Indians. On a tribal level in some cases it succeeded.

In the 90s it is estimated that 150,000 Iraqi children died under the sanctions brought about largely by the actions of "christians".

The Muslims of today.

Must I go on?

Religion is a disgusting institution whatever it may call itself.

God is a filthy pervert.

07-08-2005, 10:34 PM

God ordered the killing of entire nations, read the old testament accounts of the campaign against the cannanites and many others, the amelikites, edomites and the list goes on and on.

Lets not forget the biblical account of the flood either, He destroyed all life save Noah's family.

Personally I think there are very few real men of God left on this earth, the rest of us struggle with our own inability to truly see life from God's perspective. I think If I was truly a man of God I'd be able to forgive the terrorists that have killed my friends. I cannot, I will not. And I know in that lies my mortality and faith.

In the times I have killed in combat I have never done it in Gods name. I believe it was right to do, but not in Gods name.

But to get closer to the thread, If these terrorists truly saw life from Gods perspective then they would lay down their arms and seek peace.

Clint · 07-08-2005, 11:44 PM

A shepherd kills wolves who threaten to destroy his sheep. He may kill in the name of God because he believes God gave him the duty of protecting the sheep. If he can find the wolf’s home he will destroy his whole family, young and old. He may destroy them by any means available to him. He is doing God’s will because he has the duty of protecting the sheep.

His actions result in the safety and peace of the flock. Peace and safety come with a price. It is the economy of life. If they were free they would be worthless.

The wolves have entered our camp wearing sheep’s clothing. They carry bombs on their backs and blow themselves up on buses, trains and restaurants. The shepherds of the flock are tracking them down and destroying them. Albeit too slowly.

mominiowa · 07-08-2005, 11:54 PM

Clint~~ You hit the NAIL on the HEAD!~~

07-09-2005, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clint

A shepherd kills wolves who threaten to destroy his sheep. He may kill in the name of God because he believes God gave him the duty of protecting the sheep. If he can find the wolf’s home he will destroy his whole family, young and old. He may destroy them by any means available to him. He is doing God’s will because he has the duty of protecting the sheep.

His actions result in the safety and peace of the flock. Peace and safety come with a price. It is the economy of life. If they were free they would be worthless.

The wolves have entered our camp wearing sheep’s clothing. They carry bombs on their backs and blow themselves up on buses, trains and restaurants. The shepherds of the flock are tracking them down and destroying them. Albeit too slowly.

Clint that explaination comes as close to reality for me, It's self defense. We are trying to prevent the destruction of innocent people, preserving life. I do beleive God set up human government for several reasons. Two of which are protect the innocent and punish the guilty. So in essence, we are doing what we ought to do. Our moral obligation to God.

Scrat · 07-09-2005, 12:59 PM

Discussions like this are why I have no respect for the concept of God or the people involved.

koan · 07-09-2005, 01:08 PM

Clint.

Your post works just as well in the enemy's defence. You justified the OP. I am with Scrat. God has nothing to do with war.

Scrat · 07-09-2005, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Discussions like this are why I have no respect for the concept of God or the people involved.

To make myself more clear, I have no respect for people who use the concept of God to justify the imposed suffering of humanity.

07-08-2005, 04:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
capt_buzzard All Human Life Is Here... Supporting Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 5,807	In God's Name? According to yesterday's statement from al-Qa'ida ''In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and the dauntless fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him. O nation of Islam and nation of Arabism, Rejoice for it is time to take revenge on the British and Americans. al-Qa'ida statement yesterday. But Christians don't do these horrible things to each other either.
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07-08-2005, 04:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
telaquapacky Unconquerable Good Will Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Near Sequoia Natl Park Posts: 753	Re: In God's Name? Can't do in God's name what God Himself would not do.
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07-08-2005, 07:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
Scrat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,785	Re: In God's Name? Christians don't? Hmm. We are definitely guilty of worse things. The firebombing of Dresden. A totally unnecessary act against a target of no military value . The attempted genocide of the American Indians. On a tribal level in some cases it succeeded. In the 90s it is estimated that 150,000 Iraqi children died under the sanctions brought about largely by the actions of "christians". The Muslims of today. Must I go on? Religion is a disgusting institution whatever it may call itself. God is a filthy pervert. __________________ Ya gotta watch your nuts because somebody is always trying to rip them off. Politicians are like baby diapers. Sooner rather than later they have to be changed for the same reason.
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07-08-2005, 10:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
Far Rider Guest Posts: n/a	Re: In God's Name? God ordered the killing of entire nations, read the old testament accounts of the campaign against the cannanites and many others, the amelikites, edomites and the list goes on and on. Lets not forget the biblical account of the flood either, He destroyed all life save Noah's family. Personally I think there are very few real men of God left on this earth, the rest of us struggle with our own inability to truly see life from God's perspective. I think If I was truly a man of God I'd be able to forgive the terrorists that have killed my friends. I cannot, I will not. And I know in that lies my mortality and faith. In the times I have killed in combat I have never done it in Gods name. I believe it was right to do, but not in Gods name. But to get closer to the thread, If these terrorists truly saw life from Gods perspective then they would lay down their arms and seek peace.

07-08-2005, 11:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Clint So much to learn! Supporting Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,097	Re: In God's Name? A shepherd kills wolves who threaten to destroy his sheep. He may kill in the name of God because he believes God gave him the duty of protecting the sheep. If he can find the wolf’s home he will destroy his whole family, young and old. He may destroy them by any means available to him. He is doing God’s will because he has the duty of protecting the sheep. His actions result in the safety and peace of the flock. Peace and safety come with a price. It is the economy of life. If they were free they would be worthless. The wolves have entered our camp wearing sheep’s clothing. They carry bombs on their backs and blow themselves up on buses, trains and restaurants. The shepherds of the flock are tracking them down and destroying them. Albeit too slowly. __________________ Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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07-08-2005, 11:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
mominiowa Senior Member Supporting Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Well..... if this is HELL?? Posts: 1,572	Re: In God's Name? Clint~~ You hit the NAIL on the HEAD!~~ __________________ ~~The Family~~ Happiness is knowing where you come from... Who you are... And why you are here.....
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07-09-2005, 12:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
Scrat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,785	Re: In God's Name? Discussions like this are why I have no respect for the concept of God or the people involved. __________________ Ya gotta watch your nuts because somebody is always trying to rip them off. Politicians are like baby diapers. Sooner rather than later they have to be changed for the same reason.
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07-09-2005, 01:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
koan anomaly Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 12,879	Re: In God's Name? Clint. Your post works just as well in the enemy's defence. You justified the OP. I am with Scrat. God has nothing to do with war.
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