Life after death? This can mean heaven or hell. A true story...

[illuminati]

From a friend:


My Grandfather on my Father's side passed away when I was very young. My Step-Grandfather since then had passed away this Summer.. At family gatherings, we always talk about him. He was a very interesting and unique man. He was close friends with many popular people. Frank Sinatra and the rest of the Rat Pack, for example.. He gambled at the BIG tables in Las Vegas. He was treated with great respect wherever he went. He never worked a day in his life, soughta speak...

Well, after Thanksgiving dinner, my Grandmother and I had our usual talks.. But today, things were a little different. She's having an easier time talking about his last moments...

She spoke about how he was in great pain and needed a machine which fed air into his lungs to remain alive... As things began to get worse and worse, he tried removing the air-piece from his face but my Grandmother, at his side, would keep putting it back on. It was only later that she realized he was trying to say he's had enough...

This went on back and forth for awhile.. Unfortunately, he was falling in and out of concienceness as his heart had begun to slow down and stop occasionally..

Keep in mind, now - that this was a very, very tough man. He was never afraid of anyone or anything. He was a bodyguard of a very, very popular person. He'd taken gunshots before...

I've heard so many instances of how people who died momenterally would come back to life to say they'd "seen a light - a tunnel of light" and how "an angel said it wasn't yet my time". This was very different...

The last time he came to for a moment, he had a petrified look in his eyes. He pulled my Grandmother close and said, "They're trying to get me. They're not human. I have to get out of here!" After saying this, in his horrible condition, he tried to get out of bed...

And that was the end...

My Grandmother told me he saw the Gates of Hell.. Until now, I've never had such a positive feeling that what we do in this life can certainly affect the afterlife.. I always try to do what's best and what I think is right.. I hope all of you do your best, as well, to live good, honest lives...
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[Warsai]

Wow. You hear stories about people seeing angels or a bright light, but never that. This is an encouraging story.

[illuminati]

Who here is familiar with Melvin Morse?

Melvin works at Children's Hospital in Seattle, WA and has done a large amount of research on this subject:

http://www.melvinmorse.com/light.htm

You usually hear about the the typical bright light scenario. What intrigues me is the implication that many (the majority?) of people describe a hellish Near Death Experience.

An earlier cardiologist once reported he found that 80% of NDE's were bad, and only 20% were the happy hopeful ones.

Thoughts? Disturbing? Most people, like myself, were really only aware of the bright light scenarios.

[Warsai]

Who here is familiar with Melvin Morse?

Melvin works at Children's Hospital in Seattle, WA and has done a large amount of research on this subject:

http://www.melvinmorse.com/light.htm

You usually hear about the the typical bright light scenario. What intrigues me is the implication that many (the majority?) of people describe a hellish Near Death Experience.

An earlier cardiologist once reported he found that 80% of NDE's were bad, and only 20% were the happy hopeful ones.

Thoughts? Disturbing? Most people, like myself, were really only aware of the bright light scenarios.

Same here, I never knew patients could have hellish experiences as well.

She wanted to stay in heaven, however, a person she thought was Jesus told her that she had to go back to help her mother with medical problems associated with her (then) unborn brother. She didn't know what these problems were as the baby was not born yet. Yet she draws her unborn brother at the bottom of the picture with a big heart in his chest. After this drawing was made, he was born with severe heart disease.

This is very interesting. Someone being able to predict future disease based on a near death experience is just incredible. It must be overwhelming for someone to have a near death experience and I imagine that they would like the site said, live happier and more social lives, because they've gained a new meaning of what life is.

[plazul]

When the body starts to shut down there is a surge of neurotranmitters in the brain that could be the cause of some of these halucinatory experiences, good and bad.

I don't believe in hell but I was taught that hell is eternal separation from God.

[Colinc]

Scary...but i wonder how much people see what they expect. I like to think that initially we make our own heaven or hell.....be it a harem, a hell or elysian fields.But that eventually there would be a reality behind this which is common to all.

So nobody goes to hell.

[Suresh Gupta]

I've heard so many instances of how people who died momenterally would come back to life to say they'd "seen a light - a tunnel of light" and how "an angel said it wasn't yet my time". This was very different...
he saw the Gates of Hell.. Until now, I've never had such a positive feeling that what we do in this life can certainly affect the afterlife.. I always try to do what's best and what I think is right.. I hope all of you do your best, as well, to live good, honest lives...

I have also heard many such instances. Presently I am reading a book in Hindi the title of which will read in English as 'Science of re-birth'. I will post if I find anything useful in the book.

The latter part of your message is very encouraging. We always try to do good as Good acts take us to God, and it makes our life good and honest. I hope all FG members share your views.

[koan]

There is a wonderful film called "What Dreams May Come" with Robin Williams in which he dies before his wife and after their two children. The grief overwhelms his wife and she kills herself. Robin must find her in hell and bring her back. In this film and in my personal belief, 'hell' is the creation of your own mind. She is so convinced that this hellish world is real that the danger to Robin is getting sucked into her belief and losing his own sanity.

The greatest prison is one's own mind.

A dream is a message from the soul and a vision is a more intense experience of the same thing. But sometimes dreams can seem more real than the waking state. I think that your grandfather will resolve his nightmare, if he hasn't already, and move to a more enlightened place...you can certainly still speak to him and offer him guidance if you feel he is not moving on. Even if you can't hear him, (your grandmother might), your thoughts of love and wishes for peace will surely reach him.

[capt_buzzard]

From a friend:


My Grandfather on my Father's side passed away when I was very young. My Step-Grandfather since then had passed away this Summer.. At family gatherings, we always talk about him. He was a very interesting and unique man. He was close friends with many popular people. Frank Sinatra and the rest of the Rat Pack, for example.. He gambled at the BIG tables in Las Vegas. He was treated with great respect wherever he went. He never worked a day in his life, soughta speak...

Well, after Thanksgiving dinner, my Grandmother and I had our usual talks.. But today, things were a little different. She's having an easier time talking about his last moments...

She spoke about how he was in great pain and needed a machine which fed air into his lungs to remain alive... As things began to get worse and worse, he tried removing the air-piece from his face but my Grandmother, at his side, would keep putting it back on. It was only later that she realized he was trying to say he's had enough...

This went on back and forth for awhile.. Unfortunately, he was falling in and out of concienceness as his heart had begun to slow down and stop occasionally..

Keep in mind, now - that this was a very, very tough man. He was never afraid of anyone or anything. He was a bodyguard of a very, very popular person. He'd taken gunshots before...

I've heard so many instances of how people who died momenterally would come back to life to say they'd "seen a light - a tunnel of light" and how "an angel said it wasn't yet my time". This was very different...

The last time he came to for a moment, he had a petrified look in his eyes. He pulled my Grandmother close and said, "They're trying to get me. They're not human. I have to get out of here!" After saying this, in his horrible condition, he tried to get out of bed...

And that was the end...

My Grandmother told me he saw the Gates of Hell.. Until now, I've never had such a positive feeling that what we do in this life can certainly affect the afterlife.. I always try to do what's best and what I think is right.. I hope all of you do your best, as well, to live good, honest lives...
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I don't go along with these wonder catholic ideas of heaven and hell. Load of crap. I'll go along with PLAZUL on this one.

[capt_buzzard]

Religion is about mind control. Control of the masses by a cult or church. We see this in our major christian organizations and Islam.
Hate, Torture, Suffering and Death is their ingredients of Faith in a Surpreme Human God.