The unanswered Questions

[capt_buzzard]

Do we have the real Bible or a watered down version? Is the Real Bible locked away in some vatican vault?


Where did Dan Browne get his information for his book Da Vinci Code? And why is the Vatican so upset about it?

[Wolverine]

locked away. and i don't think that we will ever see it.

[CVX]

The Da Vinci Code

Just one thread. Lots more if you search here for discussions on Da Vinci Code.

[capt_buzzard]

I'm not speaking about the book. I'm on about where did Dan B get his detailed information from. And why is the Vatican so upset? They have now tried to stop the movie. It will most probably banned in Ireland

[Lon]

Originally Posted by capt_buzzard

Do we have the real Bible or a watered down version? Is the Real Bible locked away in some vatican vault?


Where did Dan Browne get his information for his book Da Vinci Code? And why is the Vatican so upset about it?

Dan Brown is a great story teller. He has capitalized on a number of so called mysteries and rumour to weave what at first is a plausible story. This weeks issue of the American magazine "U.S. News & World Report" covers the myths of "Freemasonry", and how Brown used some of these myths in his story. As for the Bible------------??

[nvalleyvee]

I've heard a lot of things are locked away in the Vatican catacombs. Is it an urban myth - or true? Being a non-Catholic it is a matter of curiosity for me. Why would a faith hide the most relevent documents from the faithful? The only answer I come up with is that the faithful would loose faith. The Church is hiding documents that would set its people free of the doctrine of the Catholic faith. THese people would be free to believe in a forgiving God instead of a condemnating God.

OK - I am ready for all kinds of grief over my statement. I don't know that I will answer it though.

[Tombstone]

Originally Posted by capt_buzzard

I'm not speaking about the book. I'm on about where did Dan B get his detailed information from. And why is the Vatican so upset? They have now tried to stop the movie. It will most probably banned in Ireland

The Vatican is so upset because:

"Catholics should be concerned about the book because it not only misrepresents their Church as a murderous institution but also implies that the Christian faith itself is utterly false."

For anyone who is really interested in what the official position of the Catholic Church is on this book, take a read:

http://www.catholic.com/library/crac...vinci_code.asp

[gmc]

Just about finished reading it. Not a lot that is terribly original in it. It's only if you never read beyond what you are told in church that it is surprising.

The catholic church is upset as despite the lessons of history they still persist in the belief that the bast way to treat the faithful is to keep them in the dark and stop them questioning what they are told. Blind faith and all that.

What is more worrying is that so many seem to think it is factual.

From tombstone's link

The problem is that many of the ideas that the book promotes are anything but fact, and they go directly to the heart of the Catholic faith. For example, the book promotes these ideas:

* Jesus is not God; he was only a man.
* Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.
* She is to be worshiped as a goddess.
* Jesus got her pregnant, and the two had a daughter.
* That daughter gave rise to a prominent family line that is still present in Europe today.
* The Bible was put together by a pagan Roman emperor.
* Jesus was viewed as a man and not as God until the fourth century, when he was deified by the emperor Constantine.
* The Gospels have been edited to support the claims of later Christians.
* In the original Gospels, Mary Magdalene rather than Peter was directed to establish the Church.
* There is a secret society known as the Priory of Sion that still worships Mary Magdalene as a goddess and is trying to keep the truth alive.
* The Catholic Church is aware of all this and has been fighting for centuries to keep it suppressed. It often has committed murder to do so.
* The Catholic Church is willing to and often has assassinated the descendents of Christ to keep his bloodline from growing.

Catholics should be concerned about the book because it not only misrepresents their Church as a murderous institution but also implies that the Christian faith itself is utterly false.

Like the last bit. I suppose the inquisition was a protestant conspiracy theory? I would be twice damned, as a protestant by birth and a non-beleiver by choice. Actually I would have to avoid the protestants as well.

The protestant churches now seem to fall in to the same pattern of trying to stop the publication of things they disapprove of instead of having enough faith in their followers to stick to their creed and leavethe rest to make up their own minds.

As to whether JC was the son of god? If you believe he was then what others believe should not affect your faith. The idea that stopping suggestions that he might not be will preserve the faith is ludicrous, if it needs such defence then it is a poor faith indeed-if you will forgive an opionated non christian having a viewpoint.

Real history is more bizarre than anything you can make up.

Try these sources

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...ies/mary.shtml

http://www.thecyberfarm.com/templars/templarhome.htm

http://www.beyond.fr/history/knights.html

The First Friday the 13th

Philip IV, the king of France, and Pope Clement V could see no more need for the Templars, and they saw a great deal of wealth. On Friday the 13th in the year 1307, the month of October [thanks, Jonathan Curtis], the Templars were rounded up and emprisoned - "Friday the 13th" has been an unlucky day since that event. Following charges of Satanism and torture-encouraged confessions, the leaders of the Knights Templars were terminally punished, á la Joan of Arc.

In 1312, the order was officially disbanded by good Pope Clement V, and the now-ownerless property was assigned to the Knights Hospitalers, with much of it somehow sticking to the hands of the King Philip ("the fair") and King Edward II of England.

Greed, religon and politics. gripping stuff

[Accountable]

I'm always suspicious of anyone that wants to ban a book or movie, or shut someone up. If it's not true, won't that come out?

The entire Protestant movement came about because the Catholic Church thought the masses could not be trusted with the entire truth. "don't worry, we'll tell you all you need to know." In wartime, when the enemy might also hear your reasoning, sure. But any other time, either you're truthful, lying, or hiding something. I'm not sure which of the latter two are worse.

[capt_buzzard]

Originally Posted by Tombstone

The Vatican is so upset because:

"Catholics should be concerned about the book because it not only misrepresents their Church as a murderous institution but also implies that the Christian faith itself is utterly false."

For anyone who is really interested in what the official position of the Catholic Church is on this book, take a read:

http://www.catholic.com/library/crac...vinci_code.asp

Nice one C.