Vision of Hell

Valerie100 · 10-02-2005, 12:14 PM

When I was a teenager, I was a bad kid. I was in and out of trouble, went to a school for truants and used drugs. I went to a special school in Philadelphia, PA (Shallcross) for kids with truancy problems.

Anyway, our teacher at Shallcross used to be a teacher at the Philadelphia House of Corrections, and he scheduled a class trip to the prison so that we could see what could happen to us if we didn't straighten up and fly right. There was a boy in my class, Tom Hodges. He was a nice enough guy, but the smart-alexie type. One of the inmates we were talking to picked Tom out right away from the group of us all and told him that he, the inmate, used to be like Tom and that he, Tom, had better straighten up or that he was going to end up right there in prison, just like that inmate.

Well, three years later, Tom Hodges had half of his face blown off by a gun. He died at the age of 19.

Well, back to me now -- I had through the years learned how to do astral projection, you know, where your spirit leaves your body, and you can places. It's an occult science or a spiritual gift, depending on how you look at it or use it.

I was on an astral trip one night, and I met up with Tom Hodges. Tom took me to this house. When we were in the hallway of this old and dark house, Tom walked one way, and I walked the other.

I opened a door to a room and stepped into the room -- and I fell and fell. I found myself hoovering over very hot flames. They were close enough to my face. I couldn't see through them, and my face was very hot and sweaty. I remember hearing women screaming and men moaning in pain. I heard some beings, demons, talking about holding a woman still so that they could have their way with her, rape her, and do things to her. I remember the one saying, "Come on, hold her still now."

I prayed to Jesus. I said, "Oh, Lord, get me out of here." The Good Lord pulled me up, and the pit brought me back down. I prayed again, "Oh, come on, Lord, you've got to get me out of here." I was terrified and freaked out. The Good Lord pulled me up and out of the pit.

I just wanted to share the Lord's and Tom's message about hell. It is very real, and we need to be very careful about how we conduct our lives. Walking the Godly walk is the only way to go.

10-02-2005, 12:38 PM

Gotta be honest with you here val100.
HUH?
Where exactly is tom supposed to be? Can't be hell, he went the other way. Can't be heaven, 'cause shouldn't he be enjoying the good afterlife?

And how does one learn through the years to do to do astral projection? Is that like drivers ed, eventually you get a license? Seriously girl, point me to some good sites on this thing. I am always the last in here to hear about anything.

Sounds to me like you had the same coal furnace in your basement as i did as a child. And some unresolved issues with tom and his death. Or maybe astral projection is just a fancy term for dream interpretation ?

Valerie100 · 10-02-2005, 04:00 PM

Here is a website completely dedicated to the art of astral projection. They even offer courses on it. Astral projection can get really freaky, so you have to be very careful with it.

www.astralweb.org/astralforums/6_102.html

Here is the technique that I use. I imagine myself floating on my back in a swimming pool. I feel the water moving my body. I feel my body floating on the water. I fall asleep with this imagine and the sensations in my mind. 95% percent of the time, I leave my body by doing this. I learned this from an Indian woman online called "Skyhawk," I think her name was. I couldn't find her website anymore. This was some years ago.

The idea is that you need to be completely relaxed and in a sleep-like state when you leave your body. I have forced my astral body out of myself when I'm like this. Sometimes it happens naturally. I have also noticed a whizzing sound by my ears at times when I've don't astral projection.

Read this website if this subject interests you. There is a lot to it. I hope you can learn it. Good luck

telaquapacky · 10-02-2005, 09:32 PM

You mentioned that astral projection is occultic, which by definition is something not of "the Good Lord," but of Satan. If it is of Satan, then any vision you would see while practicing astral projection would be a false and misleading vision. How confident do you feel recommending people to communicate with God through a channel He strictly forbids?

The threat of eternal hellfire is not a sincere or God-inspired motivation to live a moral life. That false teaching really gives Christianity and Christians a bad name. Yes, I know Christians have taught this. The same Christians who burned, tortured and imprisoned people for disagreeing with them. Evidently they thought salvation was through compulsion rather than by living, loving, trusting faith.

Valerie, I think your intentions are essentially good, but I believe you are misinformed about spiritual things. In this vision Satan has accommodated your desire to be right with Jesus, and has co-opted Him with a false Lord, who would dangle you over the fires of hell, and force you by fear of pain and torture forever to obey Him. Satan knows that in time you will come to hate that kind of God, and then he can reel you in.

Clint · 10-02-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by telaquapacky

You mentioned that astral projection is occultic, which by definition is something not of "the Good Lord," but of Satan. If it is of Satan, then any vision you would see while practicing astral projection would be a false and misleading vision. How confident do you feel recommending people to communicate with God through a channel He strictly forbids?

The threat of eternal hellfire is not a sincere or God-inspired motivation to live a moral life. That false teaching really gives Christianity and Christians a bad name. Yes, I know Christians have taught this. The same Christians who burned, tortured and imprisoned people for disagreeing with them. Evidently they thought salvation was through compulsion rather than by living, loving, trusting faith.

Valerie, I think your intentions are essentially good, but I believe you are misinformed about spiritual things. In this vision Satan has accommodated your desire to be right with Jesus, and has co-opted Him with a false Lord, who would dangle you over the fires of hell, and force you by fear of pain and torture forever to obey Him. Satan knows that in time you will come to hate that kind of God, and then he can reel you in.

I sure do agree. Jesus draws us with His love rather than to scare us with fire. He wants a relationship with us. Good relationships don’t start by one person holding another over an open fire.

nvalleyvee · 10-02-2005, 11:40 PM

I hope I don't get pounded by this...I think astral projection is real but not in Val100's way of thinking. It is a meditation kind of thing and not influenced by God or Satan. If I am correct in my studies - most people have out-of-body experiences because they have very bad emotional trauma in their lives AND HAVE EMOTIONALLY CHOSEN TO "LEAVE" the situation. Thus out-of-body experiences.

theia · 10-03-2005, 01:07 AM

[quote=nvalleyvee]I hope I don't get pounded by this...I think astral projection is real but not in Val100's way of thinking. It is a meditation kind of thing and not influenced by God or Satan.

I agree, nvalleyvee. I also strongly agree with Clint about the loving relationship with God.

nvalleyvee · 10-03-2005, 01:10 AM

[quote=theia]

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvalleyvee

I hope I don't get pounded by this...I think astral projection is real but not in Val100's way of thinking. It is a meditation kind of thing and not influenced by God or Satan.

I agree, nvalleyvee. I also strongly agree with Clint about the loving relationship with God.

I agree with Clint too. I prefer to think the souls who went before us provide that loving relationship with a higher power....

telaquapacky · 10-03-2005, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvalleyvee

I agree with Clint too. I prefer to think the souls who went before us provide that loving relationship with a higher power....

NV, can you unpack that a little? When you say, "souls that went before us," are you referring to spirits of our loved ones who have died? Certainly we are inspired by the memory of their faithful deeds and words while in this life, but are you saying that they can visit us even now and provide guidance to our relationship with God?

Valerie100 · 10-03-2005, 06:41 PM

I think that the Good Lord God Almighty will reach us and teach us in any way possible, as long as it makes us turn to him and trust him. That's what he wants. If this means showing us a vision of hell or making us less than comfortable to get the message, guess what? He's going to show us that vision or upset things to bring us around. He wants us to call on him and to have faith. I had faith that he would save me from the pit, and he did. You can believe it or not. I know what I witnessed, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Quite frankly, I think that your take on it is all wrong. I don't believe Satan was playing with my desire to get right with God -- how do you know that I wasn't at that time right with God, by the way? God surely did pull me up and out of the pit. My friend Tom gave me the warning, just as he had once received about his own life.

Astral projection, for me, is more than just meditation or trying to escape -- that is so not my case. I enjoy traveling with it and going places. I've never considered it escaping from myself -- it's always been just because I wanted to go somewhere or see something. Yes, it is occultistic. So what does that mean? We're all sinners. I've opened the astral projection door, so does that mean that God won't answer me if I cry out to him for help? I now have this ability that he can make use of if he wants to. God knows where I stand and where my heart and mind are.

No, friends, I disagree with your opinions, and you can all believe in any way you want to -- we all have our own opinions, and what is right for me might be wrong for you and vice versa. God does work in many wonderous ways, and there is a time and a place for everything. The Bible even says that. That means that there is a time and a place to take an astral trip and see a vision of hell.

How could Satan be playing with my desire to get right with God, when it was God that pulled me up and out of the pit? Wouldn't Satan want to keep me there in the pit, like, he tried to when I was pulled back down, before God pulled me up and out of it the final time? If Satan was playing with my desire to get right with God, why would he chose a way that forced me to rely upon faith and calling on God for help? Satan knows the Bible. He knows about faith. He wouldn't chose a method of operation that only serves to strengthen a person's belief and faith in the Lord God Almighty. I don't think Satan is stupid.

I realize that my experience is subject to interpretation by one and all. These are my beliefs and this is how I feel.

10-02-2005, 12:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Valerie100 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 418	Vision of Hell When I was a teenager, I was a bad kid. I was in and out of trouble, went to a school for truants and used drugs. I went to a special school in Philadelphia, PA (Shallcross) for kids with truancy problems. Anyway, our teacher at Shallcross used to be a teacher at the Philadelphia House of Corrections, and he scheduled a class trip to the prison so that we could see what could happen to us if we didn't straighten up and fly right. There was a boy in my class, Tom Hodges. He was a nice enough guy, but the smart-alexie type. One of the inmates we were talking to picked Tom out right away from the group of us all and told him that he, the inmate, used to be like Tom and that he, Tom, had better straighten up or that he was going to end up right there in prison, just like that inmate. Well, three years later, Tom Hodges had half of his face blown off by a gun. He died at the age of 19. Well, back to me now -- I had through the years learned how to do astral projection, you know, where your spirit leaves your body, and you can places. It's an occult science or a spiritual gift, depending on how you look at it or use it. I was on an astral trip one night, and I met up with Tom Hodges. Tom took me to this house. When we were in the hallway of this old and dark house, Tom walked one way, and I walked the other. I opened a door to a room and stepped into the room -- and I fell and fell. I found myself hoovering over very hot flames. They were close enough to my face. I couldn't see through them, and my face was very hot and sweaty. I remember hearing women screaming and men moaning in pain. I heard some beings, demons, talking about holding a woman still so that they could have their way with her, rape her, and do things to her. I remember the one saying, "Come on, hold her still now." I prayed to Jesus. I said, "Oh, Lord, get me out of here." The Good Lord pulled me up, and the pit brought me back down. I prayed again, "Oh, come on, Lord, you've got to get me out of here." I was terrified and freaked out. The Good Lord pulled me up and out of the pit. I just wanted to share the Lord's and Tom's message about hell. It is very real, and we need to be very careful about how we conduct our lives. Walking the Godly walk is the only way to go.
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10-02-2005, 12:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
flopstock Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Vision of Hell Gotta be honest with you here val100. HUH? Where exactly is tom supposed to be? Can't be hell, he went the other way. Can't be heaven, 'cause shouldn't he be enjoying the good afterlife? And how does one learn through the years to do to do astral projection? Is that like drivers ed, eventually you get a license? Seriously girl, point me to some good sites on this thing. I am always the last in here to hear about anything. Sounds to me like you had the same coal furnace in your basement as i did as a child. And some unresolved issues with tom and his death. Or maybe astral projection is just a fancy term for dream interpretation ?

10-02-2005, 04:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Valerie100 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 418	Re: Vision of Hell Here is a website completely dedicated to the art of astral projection. They even offer courses on it. Astral projection can get really freaky, so you have to be very careful with it. www.astralweb.org/astralforums/6_102.html Here is the technique that I use. I imagine myself floating on my back in a swimming pool. I feel the water moving my body. I feel my body floating on the water. I fall asleep with this imagine and the sensations in my mind. 95% percent of the time, I leave my body by doing this. I learned this from an Indian woman online called "Skyhawk," I think her name was. I couldn't find her website anymore. This was some years ago. The idea is that you need to be completely relaxed and in a sleep-like state when you leave your body. I have forced my astral body out of myself when I'm like this. Sometimes it happens naturally. I have also noticed a whizzing sound by my ears at times when I've don't astral projection. Read this website if this subject interests you. There is a lot to it. I hope you can learn it. Good luck
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10-02-2005, 09:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
telaquapacky Unconquerable Good Will Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Near Sequoia Natl Park Posts: 753	Re: Vision of Hell You mentioned that astral projection is occultic, which by definition is something not of "the Good Lord," but of Satan. If it is of Satan, then any vision you would see while practicing astral projection would be a false and misleading vision. How confident do you feel recommending people to communicate with God through a channel He strictly forbids? The threat of eternal hellfire is not a sincere or God-inspired motivation to live a moral life. That false teaching really gives Christianity and Christians a bad name. Yes, I know Christians have taught this. The same Christians who burned, tortured and imprisoned people for disagreeing with them. Evidently they thought salvation was through compulsion rather than by living, loving, trusting faith. Valerie, I think your intentions are essentially good, but I believe you are misinformed about spiritual things. In this vision Satan has accommodated your desire to be right with Jesus, and has co-opted Him with a false Lord, who would dangle you over the fires of hell, and force you by fear of pain and torture forever to obey Him. Satan knows that in time you will come to hate that kind of God, and then he can reel you in.
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10-02-2005, 11:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
nvalleyvee Not just a sheeple Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NM Posts: 5,194	Re: Vision of Hell I hope I don't get pounded by this...I think astral projection is real but not in Val100's way of thinking. It is a meditation kind of thing and not influenced by God or Satan. If I am correct in my studies - most people have out-of-body experiences because they have very bad emotional trauma in their lives AND HAVE EMOTIONALLY CHOSEN TO "LEAVE" the situation. Thus out-of-body experiences. __________________ The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement..........Karl R. Popper
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10-03-2005, 01:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
theia High Priestess of Cardis Supporting Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,017	Re: Vision of Hell [quote=nvalleyvee]I hope I don't get pounded by this...I think astral projection is real but not in Val100's way of thinking. It is a meditation kind of thing and not influenced by God or Satan. I agree, nvalleyvee. I also strongly agree with Clint about the loving relationship with God. __________________ Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
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10-03-2005, 06:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Valerie100 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 418	Re: Vision of Hell I think that the Good Lord God Almighty will reach us and teach us in any way possible, as long as it makes us turn to him and trust him. That's what he wants. If this means showing us a vision of hell or making us less than comfortable to get the message, guess what? He's going to show us that vision or upset things to bring us around. He wants us to call on him and to have faith. I had faith that he would save me from the pit, and he did. You can believe it or not. I know what I witnessed, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Quite frankly, I think that your take on it is all wrong. I don't believe Satan was playing with my desire to get right with God -- how do you know that I wasn't at that time right with God, by the way? God surely did pull me up and out of the pit. My friend Tom gave me the warning, just as he had once received about his own life. Astral projection, for me, is more than just meditation or trying to escape -- that is so not my case. I enjoy traveling with it and going places. I've never considered it escaping from myself -- it's always been just because I wanted to go somewhere or see something. Yes, it is occultistic. So what does that mean? We're all sinners. I've opened the astral projection door, so does that mean that God won't answer me if I cry out to him for help? I now have this ability that he can make use of if he wants to. God knows where I stand and where my heart and mind are. No, friends, I disagree with your opinions, and you can all believe in any way you want to -- we all have our own opinions, and what is right for me might be wrong for you and vice versa. God does work in many wonderous ways, and there is a time and a place for everything. The Bible even says that. That means that there is a time and a place to take an astral trip and see a vision of hell. How could Satan be playing with my desire to get right with God, when it was God that pulled me up and out of the pit? Wouldn't Satan want to keep me there in the pit, like, he tried to when I was pulled back down, before God pulled me up and out of it the final time? If Satan was playing with my desire to get right with God, why would he chose a way that forced me to rely upon faith and calling on God for help? Satan knows the Bible. He knows about faith. He wouldn't chose a method of operation that only serves to strengthen a person's belief and faith in the Lord God Almighty. I don't think Satan is stupid. I realize that my experience is subject to interpretation by one and all. These are my beliefs and this is how I feel.
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