Gun grabbers speak freely (thanks to you and me..)

[Captain Ray]

And I celebrate your right as an American to be unarmed if you choose... but if you ever change your mind, I am glad that you can.

Raymond

[gmc]

Originally Posted by BabyRider

Oh, yes, and how many times have we heard THIS?? Ladies and gentlemen, your typical anti-gun war cry, as seen above^^^^^^
Good grief, I am sick and damn well tired of being considered a "nutter" and paranoid, and having a low self-esteem. Because.....NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wasn't actually trying to have a go at you so please don't take it that way. But quite a few of these gun type threads start off with someone being worried in case they get attacked so they want a gun and by god how they resent people trying to take it away from them and what they will do if attacked. You do seem slightly obsessed with the subject (as in you generally not you specifically)

It's then gets irritating when they start telling us in the UK how wev'e been deprived of the right to defend ourselves by our nasty govt, which is a load of rubbish.

We do have a problem with gun crime but it is highly localised and will be dealt with. We also have a problem with knife crimes as we have had in the past with it becoming fashionable amongst teenegers to have gang fights etc. Sectarianism gives it a vicious twist in some areas. Used to be quite common now it's coming round again.

[Captain Ray]

The crime stats there on the British isle do not seem to be a very good argument for gun control, the way I see it.. It is true, that the number of incidents involving guns are less in your country.. but that is probably population.. one thing is for sure.. in your country, for the most part only criminals have guns.. the rest of you are sheep awaiting slaughter..

but it's your country, not mine. Run it however you like.

Raymond

[BabyRider]

Originally Posted by gmc

I wasn't actually trying to have a go at you so please don't take it that way. But quite a few of these gun type threads start off with someone being worried in case they get attacked so they want a gun and by god how they resent people trying to take it away from them and what they will do if attacked. You do seem slightly obsessed with the subject (as in you generally not you specifically)

It's then gets irritating when they start telling us in the UK how wev'e been deprived of the right to defend ourselves by our nasty govt, which is a load of rubbish.

We do have a problem with gun crime but it is highly localised and will be dealt with. We also have a problem with knife crimes as we have had in the past with it becoming fashionable amongst teenegers to have gang fights etc. Sectarianism gives it a vicious twist in some areas. Used to be quite common now it's coming round again.

But when you make blanket statements about ANYONE who owns guns, you do include me in your generalizing. You don't want a gun? Don't own one. But don't call me paranoid or a "nutter" because I choose to own them myself, for whatever reason, be it home protection, or sport, or whatever.
Everyone gets these ideas about gun owners, because all that's reported is when something goes awry. No one wants to sit there and listen to stories of the hundreds of thousands of responsible gun-owners who never have any incident of any kind...that doesn't make for ratings or selling papers. So, you suck up what the liberal, anti-gun media spoon-feeds you and accept it as gospel. When you anti-gun "whackos" can have an original thought of your own, THEN come back and talk to me.

[Marie5656]

I come from the perspective of a person who has never been anti-gun ownership..but who also has never owned a gun....except for those now in my house because they are my husband's.

Do I feel safer or more secure because they are there? I would have to very honestly say "I do not know". Mainly because I do not know how to use them! I have asked my husband several times to take me to a gun range some time and at least show me the basics, in case I had to use one. But we have just never found the time.

[AussiePam]

I regret posting in this thread. I'm not anti guns and the times I've had the opportunity to do it, I've always enjoyed shooting. Also, I've spent a lot of time in the States, so have some appreciation of the strength of feeling about gun ownership there. I've read all the posts and want to make one point.

This is a multicultural forum, though an English speaking one. And English in the UK and in North America and in Australasia are different languages, though we get lulled into thinking the same word means the same thing for all of us.

What really is very very different though is our cultures. The great countries we each love grew up differently, and we all carry "baggage" (I don't mean this as a negative concept) from our histories, short or long, and from the people who make up our populations.

I don't really think it's possible to look at a foreign country in the same way the locals look at it, and this issue is a local issue for our loved and respected American FGers.

[Captain Ray]

Originally Posted by Marie5656

I come from the perspective of a person who has never been anti-gun ownership..but who also has never owned a gun....except for those now in my house because they are my husband's.

Do I feel safer or more secure because they are there? I would have to very honestly say "I do not know". Mainly because I do not know how to use them! I have asked my husband several times to take me to a gun range some time and at least show me the basics, in case I had to use one. But we have just never found the time.

That to me is odd.. but that's just me. I really like it when Lilly goes shooting with me.. I get to do that "man" thing about knowing all there is to know about everything.. which I don't.. but she humors me... Shooting is something I enjoy, and the fact that Lilly enjoys it too makes it even better!

I like talking with her about how the guns work.. we have single action, double action, SA/DA, blowback, revolvers... some have crossbar safeties, others trigger safeties, grip safeties, manual safeties.. it runs the whole gambit.. and I like her to know how every one of them works.. because God forbid.. if the day ever comes and she needs to know how to use them.. I would be pretty sorry if I didn't show her...

You might want to let your man know that you are interested.. his life might depend on it someday!! Probably not.. but it could...

Raymond

[Lulu2]

Captain Ray says: "How often are children hurt by baseball bats? I bet there are a lot more injuries by children wielding baseball bats than guns..."


Perhaps...but I'll bet that more children are KILLED by guns than baseball bats. I lose patience with gun owners who pronounce themselves "RESPONSIBLE" and then keep guns in a place available to children.

[BabyRider]

Originally Posted by Lulu2

Captain Ray says: "How often are children hurt by baseball bats? I bet there are a lot more injuries by children wielding baseball bats than guns..."


Perhaps...but I'll bet that more children are KILLED by guns than baseball bats. I lose patience with gun owners who pronounce themselves "RESPONSIBLE" and then keep guns in a place available to children.

There's more children killed by doctors and automoblies each year depending on the study you look at. When does the outcry for banning Doctor visits and cars begin?
I do claim to be a responsible gun owner, and guess what? My son has access to my guns. He's 17, has grown up around guns, knows how to handle them safely, (which is not to at all if I'm not with him) and he respects them.
So, which are you? Anti-gun or pro-gun?

[gmc]

Originally Posted by Captain Ray

The crime stats there on the British isle do not seem to be a very good argument for gun control, the way I see it.. It is true, that the number of incidents involving guns are less in your country.. but that is probably population.. one thing is for sure.. in your country, for the most part only criminals have guns.. the rest of you are sheep awaiting slaughter..

but it's your country, not mine. Run it however you like.

Raymond

Don't worry we will.

posted by baby rider

But when you make blanket statements about ANYONE who owns guns, you do include me in your generalizing. You don't want a gun? Don't own one. But don't call me paranoid or a "nutter" because I choose to own them myself, for whatever reason, be it home protection, or sport, or whatever.
Everyone gets these ideas about gun owners, because all that's reported is when something goes awry. No one wants to sit there and listen to stories of the hundreds of thousands of responsible gun-owners who never have any incident of any kind...that doesn't make for ratings or selling papers. So, you suck up what the liberal, anti-gun media spoon-feeds you and accept it as gospel. When you anti-gun "whackos" can have an original thought of your own, THEN come back and talk to me.

OK fair enough. But stop making genaral statements about in the UK how only crimnals have guns and we are all going to be murdered in our beds because we can't protect ourelves. It's a load of bollocks.

Why the hang up about liberals? Do you have a problem with people who believe in individual freedom and liberty? That is after all what liberals stand for.

Incidentally we don't have an anti-gun media. It's not that much of an issue here apart from heated debates about when the police are going to deal with gun crime and why don't the courts hand out stiffer sentences for violent crimes, although new labour try and dodge responsibility for that one as well.