The Solution to School Shootings

[spot]

Originally Posted by Odie

solution: treat schools like airports, security everywhere, devices students & anyone entering have to go thru before getting inside.

My understanding is that the US already has that, and that schools would be considered failing in their obligation to the students if they didn't.

[wildhorses]

Originally Posted by spot

How exciting. I generalised but not to an unreasonable degree, you need only consider how few (outside of Japan and China where the rules seem to differ) failed to get that bit of the script right.

List of mass murderers and spree killers by number of victims - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is a useful starting place. See all those "committed suicide" markers? They're what I was talking about. They're an overwhelming majority, don't you think?

Some of them kill themselves. But the ones who dont should be prosecuted as adults for sure.

[wildhorses]

Originally Posted by spot

My understanding is that the US already has that, and that schools would be considered failing in their obligation to the students if they didn't.

They do have metal detectors in the schools here. Not all of them.....the rougher ones do have them though. It is to protect the other students.

[spot]

Originally Posted by wildhorses

Some of them kill themselves. But the ones who dont should be prosecuted as adults for sure.

How very helpful - that'll obviously deter more of them from killing themselves, eh? Instant progress toward fixing the problem, that. Congratulations. As far as I'm concerned, prevention is way higher on the list of desirable ends than how they get prosecuted.

[wildhorses]

Originally Posted by spot

How very helpful - that'll obviously deter more of them from killing themselves, eh? Instant progress toward fixing the problem, that. Congratulations. As far as I'm concerned, prevention is way higher on the list of desirable ends than how they get prosecuted.

Prevention is in raising kids to take responsibility for what they do. That they cant always have their own way. And that they must respect others. When kids are raised to think that everything they do is someone else's fault, then they find an excuse to rationalize any activity.

[spot]

Originally Posted by wildhorses

Prevention is in raising kids to take responsibility for what they do. That they cant always have their own way. And that they must respect others. When kids are raised to think that everything they do is someone else's fault, then they find an excuse to rationalize any activity.

Bravo. How does that relate to "have the kids own up to what they have done wrong and let punishment be that of an adults one" which is what I reacted to originally and what I've been discussing since?

Would you like to trail around after Hoss or Nomad for a few weeks so we all get the benefit?

[wildhorses]

Originally Posted by spot

Bravo. How does that relate to "have the kids own up to what they have done wrong and let punishment be that of an adults one" which is what I reacted to originally and what I've been discussing since?

Would you like to trail around after Hoss or Nomad for a few weeks so we all get the benefit?

Because you said you preferred prevention to punishment...and I am offerring a preventative solution.

[spot]

Originally Posted by wildhorses

Because you said you preferred prevention to punishment...and I am offerring a preventative solution.

You'll pardon my suggesting this but I suspect you're raising a non-existent phantom by means of loose wording. You play on "kids". You extent the word from birth to 18 and responsibility varies totally between the one extreme and the other. It's a graded period. At one end you have parental responsibility, at the other you have individual responsibility.

The phantom is this concept that any section of society raises children "to think that everything they do is someone else's fault" at which point "they find an excuse to rationalize any activity". It's a myth. What you describe is your own parody of reality designed to allow you to mock instead of contribute. I don't find it constructive. All I can do is attempt to educate in the face of lying creeps who, inside, actually know they're lying but prefer their own propaganda to any genuine solution. To my mind you're not helping, you're a significant part of the problem.

[wildhorses]

Originally Posted by spot

You'll pardon my suggesting this but I suspect you're raising a non-existent phantom by means of loose wording. You play on "kids". You extent the word from birth to 18 and responsibility varies totally between the one extreme and the other. It's a graded period. At one end you have parental responsibility, at the other you have individual responsibility.

The phantom is this concept that any section of society raises children "to think that everything they do is someone else's fault" at which point "they find an excuse to rationalize any activity". It's a myth. What you describe is your own parody of reality designed to allow you to mock instead of contribute. I don't find it constructive. All I can do is attempt to educate in the face of lying creeps who, inside, actually know they're lying but prefer their own propaganda to any genuine solution. To my mind you're not helping, you're a significant part of the problem.

We are not talking about infants. When was the last time an infant went and shot up a school....?

[wildhorses]

Originally Posted by spot

You'll pardon my suggesting this but I suspect you're raising a non-existent phantom by means of loose wording. You play on "kids". You extent the word from birth to 18 and responsibility varies totally between the one extreme and the other. It's a graded period. At one end you have parental responsibility, at the other you have individual responsibility.

The phantom is this concept that any section of society raises children "to think that everything they do is someone else's fault" at which point "they find an excuse to rationalize any activity". It's a myth. What you describe is your own parody of reality designed to allow you to mock instead of contribute. I don't find it constructive. All I can do is attempt to educate in the face of lying creeps who, inside, actually know they're lying but prefer their own propaganda to any genuine solution. To my mind you're not helping, you're a significant part of the problem.

Well I am not helping your side of the argument ...thats for sure...