The Solution to School Shootings

[Grizzled_Bear]

The Brady Campaign is endorsing this http://www.pledge.org/?p=The+Pledge

[spot]

Oh no no no - that entire A = B is just completely lacking in logic.

"The Pledge encourages young people to take a proactive stance in reducing gun violence". Good, so they should, I'm delighted, all it takes is a promise on their part and permission from their local authority to do what they promise. They need to be enabled if they're to combat gun violence.

"never carry a gun to school"?

How on earth can they "take a proactive stance in reducing gun violence" if they're unarmed when someone violent with a gun shows up?

The only possible way they can "take a proactive stance in reducing gun violence" is to promise to go to school legally armed at all times and to react legally and proactively toward anyone displaying gun violence tendencies.

Every school massacre in living memory has relied on the targeted "young people" being unarmed.

Go on, try to explain to me the benefit of going unarmed in a society where criminals regularly use guns, or more particularly the benefit of going unarmed to school in a society where there's a national game of high-score shootings on campus. A school campus is about the only place in America outside of Amish territory where a shooter can keep reloading and firing without meeting anyone else who's armed and able to stop him, that's why schools are the place that high-score shooters play their game. It's a totally safe space for them for the ten or twenty or thirty minutes they need.

That pledge is grooming victims.

I can see people being worried about having lots of armed "young people" at school because young lads can get heated when they argue, I have a solution for that too. The change in the local laws to allow "young people" to carry concealed weapons on a school campus can be restricted to just the girls. No girl, as far as I know, ever illegally shot anyone on a school campus and certainly none have ever played high-score shootings on one. If the law allows just the girls to be armed on campus, and the girls "promise to go to school legally armed at all times and to react legally and proactively toward anyone displaying gun violence tendencies", then American campus life might finally be safer than now.

[wildhorses]

Originally Posted by spot

Oh no no no - that entire A = B is just completely lacking in logic.

"The Pledge encourages young people to take a proactive stance in reducing gun violence". Good, so they should, I'm delighted, all it takes is a promise on their part and permission from their local authority to do what they promise. They need to be enabled if they're to combat gun violence.

"never carry a gun to school"?

How on earth can they "take a proactive stance in reducing gun violence" if they're unarmed when someone violent with a gun shows up?

The only possible way they can "take a proactive stance in reducing gun violence" is to promise to go to school legally armed at all times and to react legally and proactively toward anyone displaying gun violence tendencies.

Every school massacre in living memory has relied on the targeted "young people" being unarmed.

Go on, try to explain to me the benefit of going unarmed in a society where criminals regularly use guns, or more particularly the benefit of going unarmed to school in a society where there's a national game of high-score shootings on campus. A school campus is about the only place in America outside of Amish territory where a shooter can keep reloading and firing without meeting anyone else who's armed and able to stop him, that's why schools are the place that high-score shooters play their game. It's a totally safe space for them for the ten or twenty or thirty minutes they need.

That pledge is grooming victims.

I can see people being worried about having lots of armed "young people" at school because young lads can get heated when they argue, I have a solution for that too. The change in the local laws to allow "young people" to carry concealed weapons on a school campus can be restricted to just the girls. No girl, as far as I know, ever illegally shot anyone on a school campus and certainly none have ever played high-score shootings on one. If the law allows just the girls to be armed on campus, and the girls "promise to go to school legally armed at all times and to react legally and proactively toward anyone displaying gun violence tendencies", then American campus life might finally be safer than now.

This is an interesting perspective. On the surface it seems kind of over the top. But in reality it makes some sense. There is just one thing. OK .....so the girls are all armed, the boys arent. One girl finds out her boyfriend is cheating on her....hell hath no fury....and the boys all unarmed? So there is a point of danger. But on the other hand maybe boys would be so scared that they would not DARE step out of line.

[Erik]

School shootings have nothing to do with kids having access to firearms. In fact, this generation has less access to firearms than at any point in our history.

Stupid, selfish, ignorant parents who put their carreers and interests before their kids are the ones producing the kids responsible for these shootings.

A child has the innate unquestionable right to believe they come first in their parents’ lives. The moment this concept is destroyed, serious irreparable damage is done. It warps their view of their parents, the world and themselves. Depression, self loathing and guilt become an integral part of who that child is and it only gets worse as the child gets older. If they aren’t important to their parents then how can they mean anything to anybody else? They believe they are useless which permanently damages their self confidence.

As these kids grow, years of depression, frustration and confusion began to manifest itself. In my case, it manifested itself as anger. Every time I was insulted, teased or bullied I would respond violently. The slightest personal insult would cause me to physically attack the person it was coming from. I had held it in for too long and could not take it anymore. Because of the way I was raised, a part of me believed every insult that was ever hurled at me which is why it hurt.

When I fought, I fought hard. I would feel such a malevolent level of anger and hate for the person I was fighting that I would literally try to pound the life out of them.

These kids who do these shootings, I understand them. I understand the feelings that can drive a kid to do such horrible things as I have had them myself. Fortunatly, I had a good friend who came into my life right when I needed it most.

The bottom line is this,

The actions, decisions, and thoughts of our children are a direct reflection of our parenting, period.

Targeting guns and making more laws is an immature, knee jerk reaction that will do nothing to address the cause of these shootings. Until we hold the ones who are legally responsible for the actions of these children (the parents) accountable nothing will ever change.

-Erik

[Odie]

I don't always blame the parents by no means.

........all family's are not created equal.


these kids know damn well what they are doing.

for once, instead of the parents paying, have the kids own up to what they have done wrong and let punishment be that of an adults one.

[spot]

Originally Posted by Odie

for once, instead of the parents paying, have the kids own up to what they have done wrong and let punishment be that of an adults one.

They're DEAD, Odie! They shoot themselves, they blow their heads off with their shotguns, they don't get captured, that's a major part of their script! How on earth are they going to own up to what they have done wrong?

[wildhorses]

Originally Posted by spot

They're DEAD, Odie! They shoot themselves, they blow their heads off with their shotguns, they don't get captured, that's a major part of their script! How on earth are they going to own up to what they have done wrong?

They dont all blow their heads off.

[Odie]

Originally Posted by spot

They're DEAD, Odie! They shoot themselves, they blow their heads off with their shotguns, they don't get captured, that's a major part of their script! How on earth are they going to own up to what they have done wrong?

not all of them shoot themselves here, but its all blame on parenting here!


solution: treat schools like airports, security everywhere, devices students & anyone entering have to go thru before getting inside.

[wildhorses]

Originally Posted by Odie

not all of them shoot themselves here, but its all blame on parenting here!


solution: treat schools like airports, security everywhere, devices students & anyone entering have to go thru before getting inside.

I believe because of past child abuse concerns that we have all gone too far to the other end of the scale. There is no discipline anymore. Kids are taught that everything they do is their parents responsibility and nothing is the kids responsibilty. They think they can do anything and it is mom and dad's fault. Excuses, excuses. I think it is rather cruel to ban parents from disciplining their kids and then to blame those parents when the kids run amok.

[spot]

Originally Posted by wildhorses

They dont all blow their heads off.

How exciting. I generalised but not to an unreasonable degree, you need only consider how few (outside of Japan and China where the rules seem to differ) failed to get that bit of the script right.

List of mass murderers and spree killers by number of victims - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is a useful starting place. See all those "committed suicide" markers? They're what I was talking about. They're an overwhelming majority, don't you think?