Kerry Co-Sponsored Bill Banning Gun He Waves

[CVX]

KERRY COSPONSORED BILL BANNING GUN HE WAVES

http://www.drudgereport.com/dncg.htm

Was Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry seen this weekend waving a gun which would have been banned if legislation he co-sponsored became law?

Kerry co-sponsored S. 1431 last year (“The Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003) which would have banned a "semiautomatic shotgun that has a pistol grip.”

Opponents of the bill successfully argued how nearly all guns have "pistol grips," inluding millions of Browning Auto-5 shotguns produced since 1903.

Photos show Kerry's hand resting on the "pistol grip," as loosely defined in the bill. [Section SEC. 2; (H) (ii) and (b)(42): "The term 'pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip."]

Kerry was presented with the semiautomatic shotgun during a Labor Day stop in Racine, West Virginia.

"I thank you for the gift, but I can't take it to the debate with me," Kerry told a cheering crowd as he held up the device.

But Kerry's gun bill would have also banned any "gift" transaction!

[It is not clear if Kerry completed the required paperwork (Form 4473) before he claimed the gun.]

[plazul]

I'm not going to defend this. I'll still vote dem because I don't think they'll dare go there considering the slim margin in recent presidential races.

[anastrophe]

we have an utterly pointless, meaningless 'assault weapon' ban due to this kind of hypocrisy. i have no doubt he'll go there. which is one of the reasons i'm voting against him.

the rich and privileged have never seen a gun control bill they didn't like.

[plazul]

Where does Bush stand on gun control? Did he veto gun control laws in Texas?

[anastrophe]

where does bush stand? basically, 'not as bad as kerry'. he's not the ideal pro-gun-rights candidate, but he's better than kerry, no question.

[CVX]

So now Mr. Kerry is going to deny that he was involved with Bill S. 1431?


XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE SEPT 07, 2004 17:01:00 ET XXXXX

KERRY CAMPAIGN REBUTS

For Immediate Release
September 7, 2004


FACTS SHOW ANOTHER REPUBLICAN LIE

Charleston, WV-John Kerry West Virginia Communications Director Amy Goodwin made the following statement today in response to misleading claims made by the West Virginia Republican Party and Bush campaign.

"Let's do some straight shooting on the gun issue. John Kerry's opponents are worried because he's the first Democratic candidate to support Second Amendment gun rights and to be an avid hunter.

"The facts are clear. John Kerry opposes banning this gun and always will. John Kerry was proud to receive this union-made gun at the United Mine Workers Labor Day picnic in Racine, West Virginia.

"The Republican Party and George Bush's campaign will stop at nothing to mislead voters about John Kerry's record. We challenge Bush to engage in honest debates--West Virginians deserve to hear the truth."

[anastrophe]

Originally Posted by CVX

"Let's do some straight shooting on the gun issue.

gosh i do enjoy the double entendre. not.

John Kerry's opponents are worried because he's the first Democratic candidate to support Second Amendment gun rights and to be an avid hunter.

the latter fact which has absolutely, positively, nothing to do with supporting the second amendment. the second amendment is not about hunting, although a great many people would try to mislead you to think so.

"The facts are clear. John Kerry opposes banning this gun and always will. John Kerry was proud to receive this union-made gun at the United Mine Workers Labor Day picnic in Racine, West Virginia.

interesting. 'john kerry opposes'. that's great. but this doesn't address at all whether or not he *used to* be in favor of banning that gun. i'm sure that today, in order to appear to be X in front of audience Y, mr. kerry is happy to say that today he is opposed to banning the gun. that has nothing to do with whether he supported the legislation mentioned.

"The Republican Party and George Bush's campaign will stop at nothing to mislead voters about John Kerry's record. We challenge Bush to engage in honest debates--West Virginians deserve to hear the truth."

either he co-sponsored the bill referred to, which would have banned the gun in question, or he didn't. anyone want to go poke at senate.gov and get the straight poop?

i suspect this is mr. kerry/his minions engaging in anti-flopping. so to speak.

[Bill Sikes]

Originally Posted by CVX

KERRY COSPONSORED BILL BANNING GUN HE WAVES.

Don't care about the gun, at all - but he's not very well dressed, is he!

[plazul]

I would support gun control in Iraq. Does that make me a hypocrite?

[anastrophe]

What would you be attempting to accomplish? It won't stop the suicide bombers. it won't stop the random car bombs. it won't stop the beheadings. it won't stop those operating outside the law, since they won't abide by the law. certainly someone willing to blow himself up or cut off someone's head in the name of allah is neither going to recognize 'gun control' as a legitimate law.

curiously though, there already is gun control in iraq, imposed by the coalition forces early on. it limited each family to one assault rifle. they had to make that allowance because they met so much resistance from non-combatants - regular iraqi citizens - who balked at having their ability to defend their families from insurgents taken away from them.

disarming the insurgents won't be made any easier by imposing gun control, since the insurgents are combatants and by definition if they shoot at coalition troops, the troops aren't going to say 'hand over your weapons', they're going to shoot back until the combatants are killed.

so, what would you hope to accomplish with gun control in iraq?