Let's discuss Congress' Healthcare Plan

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Accountable

The war. We're wasting billions there, therefore we're justified wasting hundreds of billions everywhere else. Good argument.

The US Constution (yeh, that quaint relic of times past) places the military firmly under the jurisdiction of the federal government. It also places anything not specifically mentioned firmly under the jurisdiction of the states.

It's not the federal government's job to regulate healthcare, B. If you think it should, get an amendment passed.

My arguments against this travesty have never been about money, but liberty. I'm pretty sure that's clear.

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You asked for information. I gave you what I can find. It directly addresses your mistaken belief that "if you recieved benefits through your employer nothing would change." Any response along those lines?

Ted nugent's ideas about liberty while they sound good to rednecks they arent plausible. We cant shoot everyone that trespasses us. Were well beyond the wild wild west. Same goes for constitutionalism. We dont live in the same world we did 200 years ago. If you cant roll with changes then youre not as grounded as you think you are.
My argument of the cost of the war is dead on because my central point is about priorities. We keep our liberty intact by desecrating the liberties of others ? Is that how it works, the ends justify the means ?
Liberty means the state of being free. Actions going beyond normal limits.
Up until Obama you feel like youve had unimpeded liberty ? That horse ****. Our govt. has and always will do as it sees fit. You get to vote, thats about it. When was the last time the Federal govt. held a referendum on issues ? Never. Your rights arent being stripped your just stuck in the mud. You want what you want but the problem is not everyone wants what you want.
You voted, I voted, so here we are.
Bush was a rabid animal when it came to American liberties. Why werent you screaming about that ?
Look I like you acc but weve always disagreed on some major points.
I dont expect thats ever going to change.
Id prefer tax dollars go towards beneficial endeavors as opposed to better and more efficient ways to explode a mans skull.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by masscraft

By the way...love your pic! You are an attractive lady!

Thanks. I an kinda sexy.

[masscraft]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Thanks. I an kinda sexy.

For sure.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by masscraft

For sure.

Im HOT !

[masscraft]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Ted nugent's ideas about liberty while they sound good to rednecks they arent plausible. We cant shoot everyone that trespasses us. Were well beyond the wild wild west. Same goes for constitutionalism. We dont live in the same world we did 200 years ago. If you cant roll with changes then youre not as grounded as you think you are.
My argument of the cost of the war is dead on because my central point is about priorities. We keep our liberty intact by desecrating the liberties of others ? Is that how it works, the ends justify the means ?
Liberty means the state of being free. Actions going beyond normal limits.
Up until Obama you feel like youve had unimpeded liberty ? That horse ****. Our govt. has and always will do as it sees fit. You get to vote, thats about it. When was the last time the Federal govt. held a referendum on issues ? Never. Your rights arent being stripped your just stuck in the mud. You want what you want but the problem is not everyone wants what you want.
You voted, I voted, so here we are.
Bush was a rabid animal when it came to American liberties. Why werent you screaming about that ?
Look I like you acc but weve always disagreed on some major points.
I dont expect thats ever going to change.
Id prefer tax dollars go towards beneficial endeavors as opposed to better and more efficient ways to explode a mans skull.

As you say, we are getting exactly what we voted for. Anyone that voted for Obama or any other democrat had to expect they would get in and spend, spend, spend. This is what democrats do. They love centralized government control and programs. I agree with you regarding beneficial endeavors but, unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there that would love to explode our peoples' skulls and this has been true forever. Back to health care, love the idea but the application is scarier than what we have now and will cost trillions more. There is a better solution but we're not seeing it discussed at all.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by masscraft

As you say, we are getting exactly what we voted for. Anyone that voted for Obama or any other democrat had to expect they would get in and spend, spend, spend. This is what democrats do. They love centralized government control and programs. I agree with you regarding beneficial endeavors but, unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there that would love to explode our peoples' skulls and this has been true forever. Back to health care, love the idea but the application is scarier than what we have now and will cost trillions more. There is a better solution but we're not seeing it discussed at all.

Your point is a little misguided in that George Bush himself was a Republican and he spent spent spent.
Where does that leave us ?

[masscraft]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Your point is a little misguided in that George Bush himself was a Republican and he spent spent spent.
Where does that leave us ?

He did. It's just one of the many mistakes he made. But the argument that Obama's spending is justified because Bush and Co. also spent doesn't fly. First, Bush was wrong to do so. Second, Obama's spending, just since January, is more than quadruple Bush's spending during his time in office. We are now at the point that "billions" sounds like pocket change. Trillions is the new standard. The fact that Barack has said he will implement nationalized health care without adding to the national debt shows he's aware that people have had it with spending. He'll never pull it off. How do you suggest we pay for the many trillions being discussed?

[oscar]

Originally Posted by masscraft

Sorry about that. I just get a kick out of those that scream about the needless taking of life one way but then support it another way. Love your forum.

Welcome. Where are you posting from?

[masscraft]

Originally Posted by oscar

Welcome. Where are you posting from?

Hi. I'm in the Chicago area.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by Accountable

If employers can save money by paying the gov't to insure their employees, they will do it. Maybe as you say, "if you recieved benefits through your employer nothing would change," but that's a HUGE if.

Out of interest Acc..... May i ask you what you think of the British health care system and could you see your country adopting similar? This plan means that if you have never worked in your life, the tax payer will pay for you to recieve any free health care of your desire.