Hitler and the Bush family.

What this is called is two different types of logical fallacies.

1. Genetic fallacy. Where the sins of the father are revisited on the son. And in this case the grandson.

2. Guilt by association.

[Scrat]

Let's get back on track here. I put this post up not so much to attack Booshie (although I take great delight in waylaying the inbred ingrate at every opportunity) but as an example of a pattern in human society.

The very clear pattern of the wealthy and powerful manipulating politics and political situations in order to profit. Regardless of the cost to human societies.

[Accountable]

Originally Posted by Scrat

Let's get back on track here. I put this post up not so much to attack Booshie (although I take great delight in waylaying the inbred ingrate at every opportunity) but as an example of a pattern in human society.

The very clear pattern of the wealthy and powerful manipulating politics and political situations in order to profit. Regardless of the cost to human societies.

I think Machiavellian practices **** me off more than just about anything.

[Scrat]

Please enlighten me. I have heard that term before but Idon't know what it means.

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Originally Posted by Scrat

Please enlighten me. I have heard that term before but Idon't know what it means.

Niccolo Machiavelli. He's probably not the first guy to say "the ends justify the means" but he's the one one that get the credit.

[Scrat]

Okay, I read about him a long time ago and I agree. I think that such things as his philosophy states have always been with us and are innate in our nature and more prevelent in (imo) lesser minds.

I cannot see the gain here though, I cannot see how it is worthwhile for us. We are making far more enemies than friends.

[Accountable]

unfortunately that's irrelavent until we are out. The question now is How are we going to get out? What are the ramifications of just pulling out; treating Iraq like we have Germany, Japan, Afghanistan, and every other country we've 'helped' by keeping a permanent presence; or something inbetween.

Personally, I could give 2 hoots about instability in the Middle East, but I'm a small-picture kind of guy. I didn't agree with going in to enforce UN directives when the UN itself wasn't willing. It'd be sweet if we could somehow leave Iraq to the UN to sort out.

I don't understand why we need gov't intervention in a business deal (oil).
I don't understand the 'global police' mentality at all.
But then, I never understood the arrogance of Manifest Destiny either.

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I think it is really a complete stupidity to compere the Bushes and Hitler considereing that Hitler was a dictator and mass killer who started WWII. Those who know history should be either lughing or be insulted to the comparison.

Originally Posted by Scrat

Okay, I read about him a long time ago and I agree. I think that such things as his philosophy states have always been with us and are innate in our nature and more prevelent in (imo) lesser minds.

I cannot see the gain here though, I cannot see how it is worthwhile for us. We are making far more enemies than friends.

ONCE AGAIN you seem to think that global popularity is key to world peace?!?!?!

How forking quaint and simple, Churchill and McArthur were NOT popular to the WORLD body and look what they did

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No, it is a key to a better peace for us. There is a better way to lead than by force, lead by example.

What in the hell do Chuchill and MacArthur have to do with anything? As leaders they had a lot to be desired in ways.