The Abydos temple helicopter

[paintballmarshal]

yes the building techniqes used to create cathedrals is very different to the way buildings are built today, but we know how they did it. it is recorded. the ancient egyptians seemed to record a lot of stuff in their carvings. why is it that there is no evidence of the techniques used to hoist the stones, and no record of how the greatest statue ever (the sphinx) was carved out of the stone. or perhaps they were and the evience destroyed by people that didnt want the public to find out. if it wasnt for the cameras being there at the opening of the tomb, would we have even seen the hieroglyphs. there is a lot of money to be made if you can invent some new tecnology, what if someone found evidence of techniques and technologies ( such as freemasons) that were new and then destroyed the evidence. pythagoras studied in egypt before he came up with his theorem. it is clear that he must have got the knowlegde from there but no credit has ever been given to egyptians for it. he took the knowledge and claimed it as his own to his own people. i believe that the egyptians had some sort of crane that used a pulley system to help lift the massive stones blocks. it makes sense that if you are smart enough to build the pyramids then they would be smart enough to invent a simple pulley system.

[Snowfire]

Take it from a stonemason. It aint all that remarkable for one man to move a stone of several tons. I've done it. Find several thousand men and you can move much bigger stones anywhere you want.

Helecopters my arse

[paintballmarshal]

did u lift it as high as the top section of the pyramid of giza on your own without any lifting equipment. if so i would like to know the technique and it might help the experts figure out how the egyptians did it

[Snowfire]

Thats not what I said. If I can move a stone of 3 or 4 tons on my own, then its not too much of a stretch of the imagination to work out what a couple of thousand men could do. Rope block and tackles are extremely efficient and have been available for many thousands of years. They are a simple device and simple mathematics can work out their work load. The Egyptians were a resourcful and inventive people and their needs were met with simple mathematics and inventive tools. No Gods. No combustion engines. No mysticism

I say again, you do not need a helicopter to build a pyramid. Just a well fed army of workers and sufficient motivation to carry out such a task

Its an interesting pastime to look for the most convoluted answers when none are needed

[paintballmarshal]

all im saying is that they might have had flying devices, i didnt say they couldnt build the pyramids without them. the small models are aerodynamically sound and would fly if build to full scale. and u dont need an engine to fly, they could have used them as gliders.

[Ian]

Perhaps Edd Leedskalnin knew how the pyramids were built?

Resonance plays part in these constructions, the builders have a secret that we don't know, nobody knows how they were built... It would still be a huge task for us to recreate today.

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by Ian

Perhaps Edd Leedskalnin knew how the pyramids were built?

Resonance plays part in these constructions, the builders have a secret that we don't know, nobody knows how they were built... It would still be a huge task for us to recreate today.

A huge task but certainly not impossible. The motivation's not there, least of all economic ones. It isnt as difficult a task to move such huge stones as you might expect.. A ten ton stone on rollers can be pushed by my grand daughter. Levers make such weights look like a sack of feathers, as do blocks and tackle. I do it for a living. ( I built 4 very small pyramids in Africa some years ago )

Those that see mysticism in doing such things usually have books to sell

[Ian]

Originally Posted by Snowfire

A huge task but certainly not impossible. The motivation's not there, least of all economic ones. It isnt as difficult a task to move such huge stones as you might expect.. A ten ton stone on rollers can be pushed by my grand daughter. Levers make such weights look like a sack of feathers, as do blocks and tackle. I do it for a living. ( I built 4 very small pyramids in Africa some years ago )

Those that see mysticism in doing such things usually have books to sell

I would suggest you go and buy some of these books and educate yourself on this subject.

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by paintballmarshal

all im saying is that they might have had flying devices, i didnt say they couldnt build the pyramids without them. the small models are aerodynamically sound and would fly if build to full scale. and u dont need an engine to fly, they could have used them as gliders.

Hmmmm - if they were using them as gliders they would have had zero lift capacity and could not have raised the stones

And in order to build engines to power a helicopter powerful enough to lift the stones would have required a technology and an infrastructure that would have had a massive impact on their culture.

[paintballmarshal]

Originally Posted by Snowfire

A huge task but certainly not impossible. The motivation's not there, least of all economic ones. It isnt as difficult a task to move such huge stones as you might expect.. A ten ton stone on rollers can be pushed by my grand daughter. Levers make such weights look like a sack of feathers, as do blocks and tackle. I do it for a living. ( I built 4 very small pyramids in Africa some years ago )

Those that see mysticism in doing such things usually have books to sell

the key words here are very small. did u also carve the blocks so that when they were put together a razor blade would not pass between them like the ancient egyptians did.

a quote from a website about the subject -

"Since the Egyptians made no use of block and tackle methods, or cranes, it is usually assumed that wooden and bronze levers were used to manoeuvre the blocks into position."