The Abydos temple helicopter

[paintballmarshal]

Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr

Hmmmm - if they were using them as gliders they would have had zero lift capacity and could not have raised the stones

And in order to build engines to power a helicopter powerful enough to lift the stones would have required a technology and an infrastructure that would have had a massive impact on their culture.

i believe i said if they were gliders that they could have used for surveying not lifting the blocks

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by paintballmarshal

i believe i said if they were gliders that they could have used for surveying not lifting the blocks

Where?

What you did say, in your first post in this thread, was :-

Originally Posted by paintballmarshal

if it was just one hieroglyph looking like a modern craft i might be convinced that it was a coincidence, but there are four on the same piece of stone. just because there is no direct proof that they had helicopters doesnt mean that they didnt have them. having aircraft would have made the pyramid biulding process a lot easier and explain what the so called experts still cant. how they managed to raise heavy stone to great heights.

If that is not suggesting that the helicopters were used to lift the blocks then I don't know what would.

[paintballmarshal]

Originally Posted by paintballmarshal

i believe i said if they were gliders that they could have used for surveying not lifting the blocks

my appologies i said about surveying on a different thread such a large project and the obvious alignment of the pyramids with the stars would have been a lot easier from the sky so if they knew how to make aerodynamically correct models why wouldnt they make it easier for themselves its like having a remote control for the tv and then deciding to get up and change the channel manually

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by Ian

I would suggest you go and buy some of these books and educate yourself on this subject.

I assume you mean Egyptian helicopters not stonemasonry

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by paintballmarshal

the key words here are very small. did u also carve the blocks so that when they were put together a razor blade would not pass between them like the ancient egyptians did.

a quote from a website about the subject -

"Since the Egyptians made no use of block and tackle methods, or cranes, it is usually assumed that wooden and bronze levers were used to manoeuvre the blocks into position."

Is it proven that the ancient Egyptians had no access to block and tackles or cranes ? I find that hard to believe. I'm leaning more to the use of tackles and cranes than helicopters. Lets put it that way. If they had access to such sophisticated machines to survey or manouvre blocks of stone, why is it "assumed" that they used wooden or bronze levers

[paintballmarshal]

Originally Posted by Snowfire

Is it proven that the ancient Egyptians had no access to block and tackles or cranes ? I find that hard to believe. I'm leaning more to the use of tackles and cranes than helicopters. Lets put it that way. If they had access to such sophisticated machines to survey or manouvre blocks of stone, why is it "assumed" that they used wooden or bronze levers

so there is a hieroglyph that looks a helicopter and you agree that the egyptians carved images of the things around them but you believe that they had a block and tackle that there is no evidence of at all. if you can find any evidence of a block and tackle then i would be very interested to see it. the great pyramid is approx 50 stories high its hard to believe that they could have levered that many blocks that high in such an short amount of time.

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by paintballmarshal

so there is a hieroglyph that looks a helicopter and you agree that the egyptians carved images of the things around them but you believe that they had a block and tackle that there is no evidence of at all. if you can find any evidence of a block and tackle then i would be very interested to see it. the great pyramid is approx 50 stories high its hard to believe that they could have levered that many blocks that high in such an short amount of time.

I have no idea that there is no evidence of block and tackles, purely because there are no carvings. Maybe they were so unremarkable, they didnt feel the need to carve them on the walls. I just dont know. What I'm suggesting is that it is a whole lot more likely than the use of powered flight of any kind. Personally I dont find it hard to believe that the pyramids could have been constructed using conventional means, given the man power available.

Maybe I prefer to think along the terms of Occam's Razor. The simplest theory that fits the facts of a problem is the one that should be selected.

"This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known. "

[paintballmarshal]

i also believe that they had the block and tackle, among many other technologies that have long since been lost and then rediscovered. i dont believe that they would have powered a helicopter in the same way as we do today, it would be very arrogant to assume that our way is the only way. if and army of thousands are thought to have moved millions of large haeavy blocks of stone, some weighing up 15 tonnes, and lifting them almost 50 stories high. a few men on some horses pulling a glider to generate lift would not be at all beyond their capabilities. how many times have the history books had to be rewritten when a new discovery is made.

[Ian]

Originally Posted by Snowfire

I assume you mean Egyptian helicopters not stonemasonry