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    Re: Story of the peoples of Australia

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    I think perhaps you're lumping a lot of different behavior under a single label. There were hundreds of Aboriginal Australian tribes before the first fleet arrived and they displayed many ways of life, from settled to nomadic. I'm not sure any ever domesticated a crop though, and "bread" tends to imply the domestication of corn or grain. Maybe there's a web page you could show us about it.

    There's utter cultural denial on their part that they themselves ever "arrived". One consequence of that denial is that their ancestors' wholesale extinction of those species which had evolved independently in Australia is also denied, along with their ancestors' continent-wide environmental devastation. What European settlers have done to Australian habitats, by contrast, is minimal. The Australian Aboriginal culture has far more to atone for than the European.

    The other oddity I find in your thinking is that the genocide was in some way a British thing rather than a settler thing. The human inhabitants of Tasmania weren't destroyed by military action, they were killed by farmers whose ancestors were primarily colonists or ex-convicts, either through the introduction of European diseases or the rather more blatant use of firearms and enslavement. The same applies even more when you look at the mainland. The vast majority of the people who destroyed Australian Aboriginal culture didn't speak Oxford Received, they spoke Strine and they farmed or mined or traded, and most of it happened within the last hundred years.
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    https://penguin.com.au/books/the-sto...-9780670078028

    http://www.earlyamericancrime.com/co...alian-solution ( for Fourpart) "The first fleet of 11 ships carrying 548 male and 188 female convicts set sail from England to Australia on May 3, 1787. These convicts faced very different experiences from their American cousins when they landed and were put to work in a penal colony in Botany Bay. Convicts sent to America were never placed in a penal colony and instead were generally sold off to private plantation owners. Convicts sent to Australia, on the other hand, were under much tighter control. They fell under the direct supervision of the government and were subject to convict discipline, including the use of chain gangs, convict barracks, slop clothing, and forced labor. They could not buy their freedom, as convicts shipped to America could. Convict servants in America were essentially treated like indentured servants, so they could basically blend in with the general population. In Australia, convicts and indentured servants were distinct. "

    AIATSIS map of Indigenous Australia | Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies

    Spot your comment about those who did damage to the aboriginals didn't have Oxford Recieved but used Strine is kinda funny. If you delve into the American link I have linked to there's a small quote from a past king. I'm not sure about your latin but I'm pretty sure Terra Nullus is self explanatory when it came to the indigenous of Australia. ( the official line from those who don't speak strine but noble businessmen, scientists and royalty.)

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    Looking at the currents and the proximity of Aus to New Guinea it's hard to believe there was negligible communication. Hey ho. It's an interesting area of research, that's for sure and it seems there's a fair bit of research going on - you hear new stuff really quite often these days.
    Recently, (last twenty years) they have only found evidence of canoes etc leaving rather than arriving maybe some round trips but essentially leaving .

    For your perusal.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-2...ggests/7968950

    Extremely interesting insight to new discoveries about where we actually came from. And more importantly why. I have the show very very interesting I'm sure it will be on youtube or something.

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    Most of the "Convicts" shipped to the Americas during the American Colonial period (1620 to 1760) were petty criminals who we allowed to transport to the colonies instead of going to jail, assuming someone would pay their passage in exchange for working 5 to 7 years. They were treated the same as other indentured immigrants from Europe. A bit different from many of the convicts packed up and shipped off the Australia and other European Penal Colonies of the late 18th and early 19th Century.
    There were some people in my family history that came here through an indenture contract and worked off their passage in the Pennsylvania colony.

    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    Recently, (last twenty years) they have only found evidence of canoes etc leaving rather than arriving maybe some round trips but essentially leaving .

    For your perusal.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-2...ggests/7968950

    Extremely interesting insight to new discoveries about where we actually came from. And more importantly why. I have the show very very interesting I'm sure it will be on youtube or something.
    Some very interesting info.
    I was also just reading that some folks suspect the Sherpas may have got their adaptation to the very high altitudes from Denesovian DNA,
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    Have a look at Brian Sykes the Seven Daughters of Eve. As to the high altitude adaptation if I remember correctly they have actually been able to find evidence to back it up - can't remember where I saw or read it ior I would post the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    No no! Stand back everybody...ill get this.

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    Ill be back later (its 5:30 am and about to go crabbing YUM. If anyone has any good recipes feel free to share.
    Shell the crabs. take about half a kg of crab meat
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    I, too, am descended from Convict Stock. Although the name James Brine may not be that well known over here, I have learned that he is considered a bit of a folk hero over in Oz.

    James Brine (from whom I am a direct descendant) was one of the Tolpuddle Martyrs - the very first Trade Union. I guess Socialism is in my blood.


    https://convictrecords.com.au/convic...ne/james/30413

    One of a group of the ‘Friendly Society of Agricultural Labourers’ and betrayed by a fellow farm worker Edward Legg, Brine and his co-accused were charged with swearing a secret oath to the society which was in effect a trade union. The group became known as the Tolpuddle Martyrs and were tried and convicted to be transported under the unlawful oaths act of 1797. Brine together with James Loveless, Thomas Standfield, his son John Standfield and James Hammett were shipped to Sydney on the ‘Surrey. A sixth member, George Loveless was too ill to travel and left later on the William Metcalfe to van Diemen’s Land. In England they became a cause célèbre and 800,000 signatures were collected for their release. All were pardoned in March 1836 with the support of the home secretary Lord John Russell, on condition of good conduct. Brine departed Sydney on the ‘John Barry’ and returned home 17 March 1838

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