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    Re: Religious war

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    There.

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    Actually you didn't. Stalin based his ideas of a totalitarian state on eligion he wanted to create somthing as an alternative to a religion used to keep an elite in power a state religion rather than one controlled by an elite except all he did was change the irles. One of the reasons communism didn't take hold in places like the UK and US is becauise an educated workforce saw right through to the flaw tat all you woulod do is breplace the masters. Have a read of animal farm it's what orwell was talking about. In america socialism and communism may be synonymous they are not elsewhere and wiouldn;t be in amrica if you stopped and thought about it. . Good grief even your unigue film genre - the western- consists mainly of themes that that could reasonably be described as propogating a socialist world view.

    Totalitarianism takes it's inspiration from NIHIL SECULARISM and it's demand for total subservience to an oprganisation.
    What on earth is that? Secularism isn't an alternative religion you should know that as you live in a secular state - at least for the moment. Nor is it nihilist.

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    The facts speak for themselves all you need to do is check them out rather than just believe what you are told. The holocaust would never have happened without the part played by religion.

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    Re: Religious war

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    Actually you didn't. Stalin based his ideas of a totalitarian state on eligion he wanted to create somthing as an alternative to a religion used to keep an elite in power a state religion rather than one controlled by an elite except all he did was change the irles. One of the reasons communism didn't take hold in places like the UK and US is becauise an educated workforce saw right through to the flaw tat all you woulod do is breplace the masters. Have a read of animal farm it's what orwell was talking about. In america socialism and communism may be synonymous they are not elsewhere and wiouldn;t be in amrica if you stopped and thought about it. . Good grief even your unigue film genre - the western- consists mainly of themes that that could reasonably be described as propogating a socialist world view.
    Maybe you have some Stalin quotes to back your claim that the Soviet Union under Stalin wasn't Socialist, or Communist or whatever.


    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    What on earth is that? Secularism isn't an alternative religion you should know that as you live in a secular state - at least for the moment. Nor is it nihilist.
    Thankfully I live in a country with a secular government. That does not mean that we are a secular nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    What on earth is that? Secularism isn't an alternative religion you should know that as you live in a secular state - at least for the moment. Nor is it nihilist.

    - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8


    - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11[/quote]
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    Selective comments from Mein Kampf?

    Quote me something from that book about economics.

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    The facts speak for themselves all you need to do is check them out rather than just believe what you are told. The holocaust would never have happened without the part played by religion.
    Hey, been there, done that.

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    Re: Religious war

    I live in the Deep South. The Bible Belt. Christianity runs deep. I think as a nation we were making progress in taking Christianity out of state and school. A slow process for sure....at the same time our country is watering down Christianity , all of a sudden Muslim arrived on the front scenes. The news, schools, etc...this religion is a direct threat to Christianity. Some people who were not all that religious all of a sudden are very very Christian now. Why is our country doing this?

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    Re: Religious war

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    Maybe you have some Stalin quotes to back your claim that the Soviet Union under Stalin wasn't Socialist, or Communist or whatever.
    Communism was a fantasy utopian dream that was and is never going to work, imposing liberty by force never actually works and the dictatorship of the proletariat is still a dictatorship. As non industrial societies neither russia or china should have been ripe for a communist revolution marx was wrong an educated workforce is harder to incite to blind obedience. It's a middle class fantasy of the better qualified leading the masses to enlightenment. Russia was a communist state in the same way saudi arabia, isis or iran are islamic states religion/politics used as a tool of oppression.

    Like germany and indeed the US it had some socialist elements, healhcare free education etc. But stalin set out to create a totalitarian state with himself as the cult leader and yes I could dig out some quotes to show what his intent was but you can see what he did and you should really do your own research if you are that interested. Quite frankly russian political pamphlets are incredibly tedious to read, maybe the translations are at fault but like a lot of the left they get tied up in discussing the most minute aspects of doctrine and fall out over who is the most true to the doctrine just like religion in fact. It's really boring stuff. Stalin was illtreated by priests as a child blame the rleigious for creating a monster if you like. Maybe if the allied powers hadn't invaded russia at the end of ww1 the revolution might have turned out better who knows, it's pointless speculation.

    Politics and religion used by the cynical to manipulate the masses for the benefit of a few seems to be the way it always ends up. Religion makes wars worse and often causes them but it's never just one thing you can point your finger at to blame.

    Socialism and communism are not the same but the two get conflated as it's easier to counter the agrguments using labels rather actual discussion. That's why you don't have universal helthcare in the US you can't actually talk about it without brochure speak gettibng in the way .

    You know where socialism gets a lot of it's ideas from? Adam Smith the wealth of nations he was an early advocate of free healthcare and free education (having been born in a country where the latter actually existed) and the payment of decent wages to help stimulate the economy. That's why your economy is going down the toilet all the well paid jobs have gone leaving no one able to buy anything to generate more demand. You don't have a capitalist economy any more just a bastard mutation caused by right wing economics.

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    Re: Religious war

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    Maybe you have some Stalin quotes to back your claim that the Soviet Union under Stalin wasn't Socialist, or Communist or whatever.

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    Do you actually know what Communism is? Stalin and his ilk are the exact opposite.

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    Re: Religious war

    Actually British and American dictionaries have slightly different takes on it

    communism Meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

    the belief in a society without different social classes in which the methods of production are owned and controlled by all its members and everyone works as much as they can and receives what they need
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism

    a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

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    capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively
    Divided by a common language as it were.

    Do you know the difference between a Communist and a Socialist? | The Independent

    We say socialist they hear communist/totalitarian. Don't mention the fascists.

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    Re: Religious war

    As far as the Soviet version of communism goes there's one additional aspect, the dictatorship of those who had been the industrialized working underclass. Power was deliberately not shared with other groups. There was a declared long-term intention to be classless but they never got close.
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    Re: Religious war

    Quote Originally Posted by Guppers View Post
    I live in the Deep South. The Bible Belt. Christianity runs deep. I think as a nation we were making progress in taking Christianity out of state and school. A slow process for sure....at the same time our country is watering down Christianity , all of a sudden Muslim arrived on the front scenes. The news, schools, etc...this religion is a direct threat to Christianity. Some people who were not all that religious all of a sudden are very very Christian now. Why is our country doing this?
    When and where I went to school never had prayer in school. Just wasn't done.

    Then the Supreme Court Engel v. Vitale decrees expression of religion has no place in public schools. I was quite young at the time but the local schools allowed students to leave school early to attend a religious school of their parents choice. Didn't take long but that had to stop.

    Go figure.

    I now live in about as close to the Bible Belt as I care to get, and ya know what? I miss my landsmen but found a friend a Pastor and my Christian neighbors are just plain decent folk.

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    Re: Religious war

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    Communism was a fantasy utopian dream that was and is never going to work
    Well, gee.

    You're incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr View Post
    Do you actually know what Communism is? Stalin and his ilk are the exact opposite.
    I do know, and we all seen the results, which continues to this day.

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