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    Sorry, it is actually, more correct to say PLA, Peoples Liberation Army.
    The Army is the principle investor and owner of most of the domestic commercial interests in China.
    Even so I guess its rather difficult to differentiate between the various parts of the Communist Party as such. Armed forces, banking sector... you name it ...

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    Re: U.s.r.i.p.

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    Sorry, it is actually, more correct to say PLA, Peoples Liberation Army.
    The Army is the principle investor and owner of most of the domestic commercial interests in China.

    edit: In theory, since the 90s the ventures have been "privatized" but the management is still the same. Predominantly current and former military leaders.
    What? You mean the Chinese have a military industrial-complex? Did they pinch that idea from america do you think? Actually it's not as powerful as the american one since the % of GDP spend on the military is far less in china than it is ion america.

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    Re: U.s.r.i.p.

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    What? You mean the Chinese have a military industrial-complex? Did they pinch that idea from america do you think? Actually it's not as powerful as the american one since the % of GDP spend on the military is far less in china than it is ion america.
    Actually, China does not so much have a military-industrial complex as China IS an military-industrial complex.
    Getting an accurate accounting of such as military spending as a % of GDP from China is hardly possible, for the very reason it is so.
    China's two and a half million man military owns those numbers, and does not offer them for such an accounting.

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    Re: U.s.r.i.p.

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    Maybe you should go back to basics yourself there are someone things that are too important to be left to the market economy. In particular, education,
    Pretty much since the founding of this country citizens have established government schools, governed at a local level. Best thing to do in this country is abolish the United States Department of Education We managed 203 years without one and I have yet to see any need for it now.

    To abolish it would be an immediate savings of over 77 BILLION dollars a year. Further benefit would be savings to future students with reduce cost for education.

    health
    Don't know what that means. Taxing soda pop and ice cream for the benefit of the masses?

    and infrastructure
    Again, what do you mean? Roads where necessary, I'm down with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    You really should not believe the crap put about by the right wing in america.
    Hate to clue you in on this, but I am a part of the vast right wing conspiracy. I have traditional values. Ya know like G-d/County. Strong families. Work, produce. Honesty, honor. Heck I was a Boy Scout for crying out loud.

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    You need a ell educated healthy workforce for industry to be successful, you also need well paid workers that can buy the stuff that is manufactured.
    I agree.

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    Your big companies shifted everything abroad so they could make and import it cheaply but they forget they need people who can afford to buy the stuff.
    I don't buy your general comment at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    Your healthcare system is a private cartel that has been able to do as it wishes.
    I must to admit, the health care system in this country needed change.

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    You need regulation to prevent the growth of monopolies and cartels nd to stop companies abusing theior power - Monopolies and cartels are anti-capitalist and destroy the economies in which they are based - yet in america you have politicians that actively protect them. That's one of the reasons why you're up **** creek. Sadly we are as well ironic since it was us that gave the world capitalism and socialism - the two work best together but you can;t even have a rational debate about it (not you personally I am speaking generally about anericans who seem to choke on the word socialist even although they don't understand what it is) Adam Smith inspired socialists as well as capitalist did you know that?
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    Re: U.s.r.i.p.

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    Pretty much since the founding of this country citizens have established government schools, governed at a local level. Best thing to do in this country is abolish the United States Department of Education We managed 203 years without one and I have yet to see any need for it now.

    To abolish it would be an immediate savings of over 77 BILLION dollars a year. Further benefit would be savings to future students with reduce cost for education.
    It was a generic comment - private education, faith schools etc etc is a political issue in the UK. In truth I don't actually know enough about the US system to comment on it. I suspect american pie, porky's and glee might not be a true reflection of things.

    Don't know what that means. Taxing soda pop and ice cream for the benefit of the masses?
    Nope access to medical care whenever you need it. American posters seem to be endlessly obsessing about the cost of medical care. We all pay national insurance depending on earnings to finance ours it's there for me should I ever need it. Comparing the US and UK systems is a bit pointless let's just say the tories attempt to privatise the NHS are not going down well.

    Again, what do you mean? Roads where necessary, I'm down with that.
    Yep things like that, toll roads curb trade and left to private industry our electricity, gas and telecommunications infrastructure would never have reached a lot of isolated communities. Don't know what they did in the states to solve that particular problem.

    I don't buy your general comment at all.
    Fair enough. We don't have to hold the same viewpoints. Our heavy industry has disappeared as well. Over here we blame the unions or thatcher and the tories depending on one's political viewpoint and spit abuse rather than debate such are the passions stirred up.

    Hate to clue you in on this, but I am a part of the vast right wing conspiracy. I have traditional values. Ya know like G-d/County. Strong families. Work, produce. Honesty, honor. Heck I was a Boy Scout for crying out loud.
    Left wing, atheist, no time for blind patriotism, cured workaholic, sod the protestant work ethic, honest and don't need some prat to tell me what honour is, have my own standards to live up to.

    If you say so.
    I do say so. At this point, were we sitting face to face, I would buy you a pint (proper beer none of that miller's crap) and sit down for a good discussion

    OK you can have a jack daniels if you prefer.

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    Re: U.s.r.i.p.

    Well............I would pay to listen in to the Tude and gmc discussion, might even buy em a beer.
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Re: U.s.r.i.p.

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    posted by tude dog.

    I do say so. At this point, were we sitting face to face, I would buy you a pint (proper beer none of that miller's crap) and sit down for a good discussion

    OK you can have a jack daniels if you prefer
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    Well............I would pay to listen in to the Tude and gmc discussion, might even buy em a beer.
    Or two. Don't know about tude dog but I'm sure I get more intelligent with a few beers in me.

    Jack Daniel's? How's ya know?
    Well you're american aren't you? With some whiskies when drunk the name needs to be something you can pronounce when totally pissed. something like Laphroaig is hard enough to pronounce when you are sober

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