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    I don't buy into that, nor does anybody else. If we did there would be no conflict.
    That is a very puzzling statement.
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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    If you ever wonder how long the exile in Babylon lasted according to the Old Testament, it was the same duration as the Palestinians have been exiled to Gaza, the West Bank and the refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon. Being powerless leaves a lasting memory.
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    You don't remember the horrors of Menachim Begin and the Irgun??

    How do you react? The State would never have been established without the deliberate terrorist killings of unarmed civilians?

    That differs from Hamas how, exactly?

    You're surely not going to claim the deliberate terrorist killings of unarmed civilians by Menachim Begin and the Irgun didn't happen.
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    That is a very puzzling statement.
    Have to admit looking back I should have let it rest and give it more thought.

    History doesn't have to be viewed from a victor vs vanquish point of view. In a history class, our textbook was titled Conflict and Consensus. Collection of essays from Adam Smith to Karl Marx. Take the same facts and dice and slice it to any shape that fits your fancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    Have to admit looking back I should have let it rest and give it more thought.

    History doesn't have to be viewed from a victor vs vanquish point of view. In a history class, our textbook was titled Conflict and Consensus. Collection of essays from Adam Smith to Karl Marx. Take the same facts and dice and slice it to any shape that fits your fancy.
    History SHOULDN'T be viewed from a Victor vs Vanquished PoV. On that we agree.
    That would have been a good textbook, I think, but I grew up in the Deep South, and our textbooks were written to show us what a fine and upstanding, and powerful, God-inspired Nation America was. The Westward expansion was all about moving the pesky injuns out of the way so America could take her destined place in the world, and text on all of events across the Globe were from the perspective of how America saved the world from various and sundry evil-doers.
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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    Re: Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    Let me help you out.

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    List of Irgun operations
    Do you regard any of that as the deliberate terrorist killings of unarmed civilians?

    How about if I focus on one line at a time so we have a specific to consider.

    "1938, June 19 18 Arabs killed (9 men, 6 women and 3 children), 24 injured by a bomb that was thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Haifa."

    Do you regard that, for example, as the deliberate terrorist killings of unarmed civilians?

    Or would you prefer to sidestep the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    Do you regard any of that as the deliberate terrorist killings of unarmed civilians?

    How about if I focus on one line at a time so we have a specific to consider.

    "1938, June 19 18 Arabs killed (9 men, 6 women and 3 children), 24 injured by a bomb that was thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Haifa."

    Do you regard that, for example, as the deliberate terrorist killings of unarmed civilians?

    Or would you prefer to sidestep the question.

    Thinking about the logic of strapping a bomb to somebody as to blow up innocent people.

    List of Palestinian suicide attacks
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    Re: Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    Thinking about the logic of strapping a bomb to somebody as to blow up innocent people.

    List of Palestinian suicide attacks
    I'm not surprised in the slightest, it's your standard answer: would you prefer to sidestep the question. You're not offering conversation though. Just propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    Have to admit looking back I should have let it rest and give it more thought.

    History doesn't have to be viewed from a victor vs vanquish point of view. In a history class, our textbook was titled Conflict and Consensus. Collection of essays from Adam Smith to Karl Marx. Take the same facts and dice and slice it to any shape that fits your fancy.
    Karl marx was heavily influenced by adam smith your textbook must have been an interesting read most people don't get the connection. by sheer coincidence Iwas in Adam smiths home town today, shouldn't have been misread the GPS

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    History SHOULDN'T be viewed from a Victor vs Vanquished PoV. On that we agree.
    That would have been a good textbook, I think, but I grew up in the Deep South, and our textbooks were written to show us what a fine and upstanding, and powerful, God-inspired Nation America was. The Westward expansion was all about moving the pesky injuns out of the way so America could take her destined place in the world, and text on all of events across the Globe were from the perspective of how America saved the world from various and sundry evil-doers.
    Funnily enough we got much the same except it was how the british civilised the world while winnimng countless wars even though hopelessly ouitnumbered.

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