Hello everyone

[Clodhopper]

Hello Tweetatoo in Jordan from Clodhopper in England.

Hope you enjoy your time here.

[Ian]

Hello and welcome

[mikeinie]

Hi there, nice to meet you, I thought you were a troll with your first post, just coming in to stir things up, but I am glad to see you are not.

My opinion is that anyone who believes that their religion is the ‘right’ one and the only ‘truth’ are usually deluded, closed minded and intolerant of others beliefs and usually try to spend a lot of energy trying to convert other people to their faith. This is even more so who firmly believe in every word written in the book of their faith and interpret stuff written hundreds of years ago as law.

Man has been on the planet for hundreds of thousands of years, and there have always been religions. Egypt was once the greatest empire on this earth and they had very strong beliefs, and their Gods were as real to them as our Gods are real to us today. As was Zeus and all the other Gods and religions over the centuries.

The only truth, is that as a race of people, for some reason we need to believe in something greater than ourselves, (makes us feel important), we also need to fight and kill each other, and more people have done that in the name of religions than anything else ever.

In thousands of years from now there will be other beliefs and other Gods and they will continue killing each other in the name of their ‘truth’. That is what we do.

The sooner that mankind can get over this egotistical need to believe that we have a special relationship with some eternal God, the better off we will all be.

Religion is one more thing that divides us all.

[tweetatoo]

Originally Posted by oscar

yes, I know Jordon is not Turkey. You said your Muslim and I was just pointing out that I have many Muslim Turkish Friends here in Britian. I have read much of the Koran to try to Understand my friends better. I myself am Church of England but not overly religeous.

Well, I am sorry, I thought you missed it. No problem, you are welcome from wherever you were, as we all are sons of Adam (PBUH). You may ask me if you didn't understand something in Quran as probably I may be able to answer inshallah.

Welcome again

[tweetatoo]

Originally Posted by Clodhopper

Hello Tweetatoo in Jordan from Clodhopper in England.

Hope you enjoy your time here.

You're welcome, thanks.

[tweetatoo]

Originally Posted by Ian

Hello and welcome

Thank you

[gmc]

Originally Posted by tweetatoo

Hey all how are you? Hope all is well.

I am a new member who has registered today on your forums.

Some asked to introduce myself, and I would be happy to do so, and it is nice to know each other without saying bad about any other people.

I am a Muslim doctor, or future doctor, as I am a medical student

And I am proud to be a Muslim.

I like to help others, and to see others laughing. I hate for others to enter the hellfire.

I like to find the truth with others. If truth is Islam, let us follow it. If it is christianity, let us follow it. If it is any other religion, let us follow it. You should agree with me upon this.

I like who uses evidences and proofs to prove his religion.

I like smart people who will choose their true path once they find it.

Don't say yes to me, but don't say no either.

I like to find friends.

Well, that's all!

Hello and welcome. You can't prove the truth or otherwise of your religion any more than a christian or any other religion can theirs. If you would all stop fighting about it and blowing each other up and that would be a nice change.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by tweetatoo

Well, I am sorry, I thought you missed it. No problem, you are welcome from wherever you were, as we all are sons of Adam (PBUH). You may ask me if you didn't understand something in Quran as probably I may be able to answer inshallah.

Welcome again

OK... You asked for It The Koran talks of crushing all Infidels.... How do you explain this?

[tweetatoo]

Originally Posted by mikeinie

Hi there, nice to meet you, I thought you were a troll with your first post, just coming in to stir things up, but I am glad to see you are not.

My opinion is that anyone who believes that their religion is the ‘right’ one and the only ‘truth’ are usually deluded, closed minded and intolerant of others beliefs and usually try to spend a lot of energy trying to convert other people to their faith. This is even more so who firmly believe in every word written in the book of their faith and interpret stuff written hundreds of years ago as law.

Man has been on the planet for hundreds of thousands of years, and there have always been religions. Egypt was once the greatest empire on this earth and they had very strong beliefs, and their Gods were as real to them as our Gods are real to us today. As was Zeus and all the other Gods and religions over the centuries.

The only truth, is that as a race of people, for some reason we need to believe in something greater than ourselves, (makes us feel important), we also need to fight and kill each other, and more people have done that in the name of religions than anything else ever.

In thousands of years from now there will be other beliefs and other Gods and they will continue killing each other in the name of their ‘truth’. That is what we do.

The sooner that mankind can get over this egotistical need to believe that we have a special relationship with some eternal God, the better off we will all be.

Religion is one more thing that divides us all.

Thank you for replying.

First of all you are welcome here to my post.

Concerning what you wrote, I may say: well, it is not absolutely true.

You say that everyone who thinks in his religion to be true is "deluded". Well, let me stop on this point first. Everyone on the earth believes in his religion or "belief" to be the true one, regardless of what the religion is. For example, I, as Muslim, believe that my religion is the true one. The Christians believe in their religion to be the true one like my belief in my religion. And so on. Everyone sees his religion to be the fully truth. Yet, not all are deluded, and I say, there must be one group at least which is not deluded. Why is that? Because If I go with you that all who thinks his religion is the truth will is deluded, then, all humans over our planet is delude, which is absolutely untrue. I go with you that fighting in the name of religion is bad, but please keep in mind that true Muslims never fought in the name of religion. Unfortunately, it has been drawn in the minds of many of you that Islam = terrorism, which is absolutely untrue. One simple explanation is: why still Christians alive there in the Arab world??

You said that human is present before hundreds of thousands of years. Well, I say that the god only knows since when humans were present,and he only knows how they were present.

Who said that we lose energy in looking for truth?? When I tell you about Islam for example, I am not obligating you to enter Islam, rather it is a sort of advice. How? Because you don't say in the day of judgment that tweet didn't invite me to Islam after which I enter the hellfire. Here, I can tell that: no, i did invite him, but he rejected Islam as religion. So, a point is to rescue you from a very hot hellfire, and another point is to rescue myself. And at the end, you have the choice, and you choose, but you will be responsible for your choice.

Whatever religions were diverse, there must be one true religion chosen by the god. I don't want to tell you that our prophet peace be upon him said that Islam will one day spread allover the earth because you still don't believe in him, and I will not tell you that Quran told us that life is short, I will rather kindly ask you to seek science. Science discovered many things that the Quran mentioned since 1400 years. Official studies said that Islam is the fastest growing religion, and that in 2017 will be the dominant religion. However, either you believe in that or you reject, I will tell you what the mind tells: There must be one religion chosen by the true god, and whatever life is, and whatever we are diverse, it is impossible that the god left people without being guided to him.

Quran mentioned that the religion chosen by God is Islam. Quran said that people were one nation before and they were worshiping one god until sins appeared and messengers started to be sent by the god. After that, the "one nation" divided into many nations. So it is true that people are divided because of religion, and that's true, because the best one to the god is not one who is medically free or who is white or beautiful or rich, rather the best one is whose worshiping is the best. So, a good black human worshiper is to the god better than a sinful white human.

So there must be one true religion, and prove me wrong if you could.

Allah said: who accepts a religion other than Islam will not be accepted at the day of judgment.
So, Allah does not obligate you, rather he gave all of us the choice. But at the day of judgement, any choice other than Islam will not be accepted. Search any religion over earth, you will never find that it is the selected religion by the god, even if they had a holy book.

Our religion is the chosen religion by the god, but you will never find a christian for example who says that the bible says that Christianity is the chosen religion by the god.

That's a part of a very long series of discussions that I will be posting here in the forums inshallah.

May Allah guide all of you to the truth.

[tweetatoo]

Originally Posted by gmc

Hello and welcome. You can't prove the truth or otherwise of your religion any more than a christian or any other religion can theirs. If you would all stop fighting about it and blowing each other up and that would be a nice change.

Well, then try to debate me.