Iraq War Triggers Islamic Reform In US

[Clint]

Originally Posted by gmc

You could say the same about any nation on the planet. The kind of democracy with universal suffrage we all take for granted is a relatively new phenomenon even america didn't accept the principle until fairly recently (I'm thinking of the civil rights movement in the southern states) so it's not really surprising that other nations have trouble with freedom and democracy and even ours is very fragile. It's a hard won battle that still goes on. It is something people have to learn to fight for themselves you can't impose it at the point of a gun or from outside.

The iraquis are going to have to do it themselves.

My point exactly…the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree in that part of the world. Democracy is such a foreign thing to them that I have sincere doubts that they will ever embrace it. If they don’t, they won’t fight for it. If they won’t fight for it, they will never have it.

That leaves one small problem. They have supported and if left to their intents, will continue to support and work for the destruction of those they see as being an enemy of Islam. Infidels to them are not just Jews and Christians. If, in this shrinking world, they (the growing population of extremists) don’t change, they will fight until they are dead or the rest of us are. This isn’t a battle we can politely bow out of.

[Lon]

It wasn't too long ago (1960's & before) that blacks were being hung, burned and tortured by some who were Bible Tumpers. They even tried to justify their bigotry and actions by using the Bible. Most Klan members went to church every Sunday.
The U.S. Civil Rights Movement brought about what one might call a CHRISTIAN REFORM, in that, today, many of those bigots of yesteryear have actually seen the light. Christianiity no more promulgated violence toward blacks (PC African Americns) than Islam teaches followers to mistreat women and conduct acts of violence against non-believers. Different cultures are responsible.

[koan]

I feel the need to say that if there was ever one World Religion that "took over" I think it would most likely be Islam over Christianity. Might not be a popular view but I think that an Islam based belief system is my projected winner. Not that it would stay as it is now...just be based on the Koran instead of the Bible.

[Lon]

Originally Posted by koan

I feel the need to say that if there was ever one World Religion that "took over" I think it would most likely be Islam over Christianity. Might not be a popular view but I think that an Islam based belief system is my projected winner. Not that it would stay as it is now...just be based on the Koran instead of the Bible.

I disagree koan, that will only happen if Muhammad could be made to look caucasian and more like portrayals of Jesus. But then, if that happened, dark skinned people would not accept the faith. Could you imagine a caucasian looking Budda? What if Kali looked like Robin Williams. There will probably always be acceptance by a minority of people of one ethnic appearance for a deity that does not look like them, but on the whole, nah, it will never fly.

[Abdullah]

Do you really feel that the colour of man’s skin can decide how he thinks and what he believes?


Jesus (PBUH) was not white, he was from Palestine, an Israeli prophet.

Mohammad (PBUH) was from Arabia

Muslims who believes in all the prophets including Jesus are from all nations, Black , white, Arab, Caucasians, Japanese, and from south east Asia.

Is there any problem to receive your post by a black postman, or a white one or even a Vietnams one ???

The prophet is only the post man who brought you the massage of the God.

[Abdullah]

Islam has it’s own political system, it is very easy to be practised by people who practised democracy …because, it is the nearest to democracy than any other ideology.

It is simple but very deep.

The Islamic political system starts teaching it’s own (democratic) system to mankind from giving the embryo her right to live.

[capt_buzzard]

Originally Posted by Clint

Did you know that:
Noah built the ark in Iraq
The tower of Babel was in Iraq
Abraham was from Ur, which was in Southern Iraq
Jonah preached in Nineveh which is in Iraq
Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the 10 northern tribes of Israel
Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem
Daniel was in the Lion’s den in Iraq
Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jewish people into captivity in Iraq
The “Empire of man” described in the book of Revelation is called Babylon, a city in Iraq
Israel is the nation most mentioned in the Bible but Iraq is second (Babylon, Land of Shinar, Mesopotamia).

Iraq has a long history of bad behavior. Democracy will be a tough pill for them to swallow

And all this is handed down from generation to generation. So the Bible said. Who wrote the bible and can they be believed?

[Clint]

Originally Posted by capt_buzzard

And all this is handed down from generation to generation. So the Bible said. Who wrote the bible and can they be believed?

I have noticed an assumption by many lately that things that are handed down from generation to generation are considered to be false but things that are written are considered reliable. May I submit to you that the Book of Mormon has no archeological substantiation and is largely fabrication, even though it is a written account of what is alleged to be the truth. I will much more readily accept the information handed down from generation to generation with archeological evidence and real places supporting the oral history than a book that lacks the same level of connection to reality. Those who bore the responsibility of preserving the oral history that was finally written down, were doing it in a time when that was the most common way of preserving history. Much of what they said was at one time considered unreliable until the discovery of ancient scrolls and supporting archeological discoveries silenced the critics. Did you know they have found Egyptian chariot wheels in the bottom of the Red Sea in a place that would be a likely crossing for the Children of Israel in there exodus from Egypt?

[capt_buzzard]

The mass deception is so widespread its so believable.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by capt_buzzard

The mass deception is so widespread its so believable.

Have a look. See what you think.
www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm