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    So, My uncle had been working out our family genealogy for some time. After his passing, his documentation landed in my lap, because I had also been handed my maternal family docs.
    So, finally, I started looking through it all.

    On another note, my wife, whose surname was the same as mine, and I had always been curious if we were related back in the past.

    We both participated recently in the National Geographic "Genographic" project.
    We got our DNA results recently and I found a site where you can match your DNA against other folks. It turns out that we share no common DNA. Or at least not enough to show a relationship.

    I started looking through a couple of ancestry sites, and checking out our family trees. Turns out that back in the 16th century, while our male ancestors were not related, they were neighbors. Her original American ancestor moved to the Massachusetts colony from Kingsbridge, Devon, while mine, in a similar time period came to Massachusetts from Bridgewater, Somerset.
    I suppose that in those days, that may not have been quite as neighborly a relationship as it might be today, given that travel from Kingsbridge to Bridgewater may have taken a bit longer in those days.

    But, now I am curious what resources might be available to research further back and track the families further back.
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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    When did your ancestors move to america? I'm curious if they wre on the wrong side in the english civil war civil war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgwater

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    When did your ancestors move to america? I'm curious if they wre on the wrong side in the english civil war civil war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgwater

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    Not if they moved in the sixteenth century - but that is remarkably early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    When did your ancestors move to america? I'm curious if they wre on the wrong side in the english civil war civil war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgwater

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    After some further digging, it turns out, that both my wife's and my ancestors noted earlier were brothers. They and their families, including parents all went to Massachusetts together in the early 17th century. some time around 1640. They were Protestants so the political events of that period may have been a reason for the move.
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    After some further digging, it turns out, that both my wife's and my ancestors noted earlier were brothers. They and their families, including parents all went to Massachusetts together in the early 17th century. some time around 1640. They were Protestants so the political events of that period may have been a reason for the move.
    That's what I thought - the clue is in boston massachusetts. which kind of protestant were they? odds are they were puritans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purita...%E2%80%9340%29

    From 1630 through 1640 approximately 20,000 colonists came to New England.[4] The 'Great Migration' 1629–40 saw 80,000 people leave England, roughly 20,000 migrating to each of four destinations, Ireland, New England, the West Indies and the Netherlands. The immigrants to New England came from every English county except Westmorland, nearly half from Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex.[5] The distinction drawn is that the movement of colonists to New England was not predominantly male, but of families with some education, leading relatively prosperous lives.[1] Winthrop's noted words, a City upon a Hill, refer to a vision of a new society, not just economic opportunity.
    The english civil war. It's an era whose conflicts echo down to the present day both here and in the US.

    For really I think that the poorest hee that is in England hath a life to live, as the greatest hee; and therefore truly, Sr, I think itt clear, that every Man that is to live under a Government ought first by his own Consent to put himself under that Government; and I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that Government that he hath not had a voice to put Himself under. ”
    — Putney Debates record book 1647, Worcester College, Oxford, MS 65. Spelling and capitalisation as in the original manuscript.
    Sound vaguely familiar?

    Your ancestors must have been amongst those at the heart of the politucal upheaval of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    That's what I thought - the clue is in boston massachusetts. which kind of protestant were they? odds are they were puritans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purita...%E2%80%9340%29



    The english civil war. It's an era whose conflicts echo down to the present day both here and in the US.



    Sound vaguely familiar?

    Your ancestors must have been amongst those at the heart of the politucal upheaval of the time.
    Or amongst those at the brunt of it. Depending on who was in charge at the time.
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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    I'm a direct descendant of James Brine, of Tolpuddle Martyrs fame (first ever Trade Union). Perhaps that explains my Socialist leanings.

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    Re: Genealogy stuff

    The way back from where you've reached will be the index of the National Archives. They cover a large part of what remains from around 1400. If your litigious government-employed property-owning ancestors were noticed by officialdom they might get a mention there.

    https://www.archives.gov/research/genealogy/
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    On my father's side, I am the fourth cousin, thrice removed, of William George Fargo, founder of Wells-Fargo, former president of American Express, and former mayor of Buffalo, New York.

    On my mother's side, I'm descended from several generations of Catholics, preceded by Lord knows how many generations of Jews.

    That's why I'm so confused.

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    So far, I've found relatives from Devon, England - Limerick, Ireland - Lanark region of Scotland and Hesse, Germany. The German appears to have been a mercenary for the Brits in the 1770-1780s who decided to stay around Virginia after Cornwallis went home. Rumor has it that all the Hessian mercs were told they had to find their own way home after the fall of Yorktown. The Scot came over in the latter 1800s, to join the Mormons in Utah. The guy from Devon was definitely with the Puritans coming over after the Plymouth colony proved viable. and the Irish ancestor came to take a land grant in Pennsylvania in the latter 1600s. Those make up a the four paternal lines of my grandparents.

    One a little further up the line came to Louisiana from Acadia after "Le Grand Derangement" following the 7 Years War.

    I found a few whose records were lost somewhere. They "just appear", with no history, whatsoever.

    So as suspected, it seems that I, like many Americans, am a simple Mongrel.
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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