The Bush Presidency - a post-mortem autopsy

[spot]

This is a good starter. FG has had any number of conversations wrecked by disagreement on whether there was an al-Qaeda presence in Iraq before the 2003 "liberation". President Bush has finally agreed on camera that there wasn't. He seems to be claiming that a US desire for regime change in Iraq motivated the invasion, something described at the time by the UK Attorney-General in his Cabinet briefing as an illegal act.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by spot

This is a good starter. FG has had any number of conversations wrecked by disagreement on whether there was an al-Qaeda presence in Iraq before the 2003 "liberation". President Bush has finally agreed on camera that there wasn't. He seems to be claiming that a US desire for regime change in Iraq motivated the invasion, something described at the time by the UK Attorney-General in his Cabinet briefing as an illegal act.

YouTube - Bush On AQI Not Existing Before Invasion: 'So What?'

SO WHAT???????

It's almost as bad as Tony Blair being interviewed in America a couple of weeks ago and saying that he believed AT THE TIME Iraq had wmd's.
So, after all this time he admits there was no presence of Al-Quaeda at the point of invasion and it was done to stop them getting a foot-hold in the country??
To me, he trie's justification through 9/11 when is was Saudi pilots who struck at America.
What a ****wit!!!!!

[Scrat]

The worlds better off without Saddam?

Let's see here. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Pakistan, a nuclear power, is on the edge of outright rebellion and chaos, civil war. Afghanistan is not being pacified, just watch the mayor of Kabul. Somali pirates threaten major shipping routes. America is spending 100s of billions on homeland security, the war on terrorism and is in debt for the next 10 generations. Relations with Russia have eroded to the point of another cold war. America is headed towards what may be a worse depression than 80 years ago.

I think the world would be better off without this stinking idiot.

[jimbo]

great post spot

[oscar]

Originally Posted by Scrat

The worlds better off without Saddam?

Let's see here. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Pakistan, a nuclear power, is on the edge of outright rebellion and chaos, civil war. Afghanistan is not being pacified, just watch the mayor of Kabul. Somali pirates threaten major shipping routes. America is spending 100s of billions on homeland security, the war on terrorism and is in debt for the next 10 generations. Relations with Russia have eroded to the point of another cold war. America is headed towards what may be a worse depression than 80 years ago.

I think the world would be better off without this stinking idiot.

The press are correct when they say Bush is America's worst President but we must remember that Blair was riding all the way with him. Great Britain was lied to as well.
Bush didn't just screw up Iraq and foriegn policy, he screwed the lot up. I think America has been set back probably 100 years by the damage he has done.
and it will take a lot to put right. He has damaged America in the eyes of the world who now see America even more as an aggressive nation. It will be interesting to watch the legalitie's unfold as to weather Bush's invasion of Iraq was indeed legal. However, if he carrie's the blame, Blair should with him.

[Scrat]

Yes Bliar had his left buttcheek in a liplock that's for sure but it comes down to the will of the politcal establishment to take these people to the cleaners.

We all know that that will never happen.

[Lon]

Nothing new---------the U.S. has tried to change a number of regimes over the years, overtly and covertly, all illegal I would think.

[laneybug]

Hmmm... I find this very interesting. I discussion involving U.S. (and foreign) affairs, and not a single representative from the U.S. Unless Scrat is American, not sure.

Let me tell you guys something. After 9/11, we were sitting ducks. You better bet any other country would have retaliated. So we did. And the American people backed Bush 100% at the time.

Now it gets tricky. Yes, we have stayed in the Middle East WAY too long. We have asserted our so-called dominance WAY too much. I agree there. And, yes, Bush and many of his foreign policies have damaged the U.S. in many ways.

Unfortunately, what the world population fails to realize about America and its people is that the government has long ago stopped portraying what the average American citizen is and wants. American people continue to get crapped on by the world's nations, when in our very own streets there is an outcry for change and democracy. We are not only on the brink of a Depression, but on the brink of civil unrest and rebellion as well.

You act as though the U.S. is a place of terrible, war-mongering people. We, as average citizens, are not.

[mikeinie]

Originally Posted by laneybug

Hmmm... I find this very interesting. I discussion involving U.S. (and foreign) affairs, and not a single representative from the U.S. Unless Scrat is American, not sure.

Let me tell you guys something. After 9/11, we were sitting ducks. You better bet any other country would have retaliated. So we did. And the American people backed Bush 100% at the time.

Now it gets tricky. Yes, we have stayed in the Middle East WAY too long. We have asserted our so-called dominance WAY too much. I agree there. And, yes, Bush and many of his foreign policies have damaged the U.S. in many ways.

Unfortunately, what the world population fails to realize about America and its people is that the government has long ago stopped portraying what the average American citizen is and wants. American people continue to get crapped on by the world's nations, when in our very own streets there is an outcry for change and democracy. We are not only on the brink of a Depression, but on the brink of civil unrest and rebellion as well.

You act as though the U.S. is a place of terrible, war-mongering people. We, as average citizens, are not.

I have driven from the State of Washington down HW 1 to the Mexico border.
I went to Huston Texas and travelled from there along the Southern States through New Orleans over to Florida.

I drove from Canada down the east coast again to Florida.

I have driven around the great lakes region.

I have always, and I mean always, met only the warmest and friendliest people and have been made welcome everywhere I have been. The generosity always amazes me.

Do not let the political arguments confuse things.

I will be back again, hopefully many times. I want to see the Grand Canyon, and I would like to see more of the North East.

Because of the global impact that your country has on the world, you will never escape the political arguments, but this no reflection of the people who live there.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by laneybug

Hmmm... I find this very interesting. I discussion involving U.S. (and foreign) affairs, and not a single representative from the U.S. Unless Scrat is American, not sure.

Let me tell you guys something. After 9/11, we were sitting ducks. You better bet any other country would have retaliated. So we did. And the American people backed Bush 100% at the time.

Now it gets tricky. Yes, we have stayed in the Middle East WAY too long. We have asserted our so-called dominance WAY too much. I agree there. And, yes, Bush and many of his foreign policies have damaged the U.S. in many ways.

Unfortunately, what the world population fails to realize about America and its people is that the government has long ago stopped portraying what the average American citizen is and wants. American people continue to get crapped on by the world's nations, when in our very own streets there is an outcry for change and democracy. We are not only on the brink of a Depression, but on the brink of civil unrest and rebellion as well.

You act as though the U.S. is a place of terrible, war-mongering people. We, as average citizens, are not.

Here we go again with another American thinking automatically that any critisism of your President is about you and the people of America.
If you read my previous post, i also said that our own previous Prime Minister lied to us in Great Britain and he should be held accountable the same as Bush.
You were not sitting ducks after 9/11 any more than we were. We also had death and destruction brought to our streets by Al-Quaeda at the same time. You may choose to google the 'London Tube Bombings' to learn more.
It was not all about America, Al-Quaeda is a global problem against war on terror. There were bombings in London and Bali that killed hundreds. Had it not of been for the British anti-terrorism intelligence, there would have been many more but they were tracked down.
The reason that 9/11 occured was down to sloppy air-port proceedure and security. Doubled with an arrogant President who thought America was un-touchable. his complacency contributed to the deaths in 9/11.
As i have said many times in other posts, the pilots in the planes were Saudi, not Iraqi or Afghan. Why did Bush not invade Saudi?
If you came and wrote a post telling me that my former Prime Minister was an idiot, a liar and a war-monger, I'd agree with you and not take it it personally.
I watched my former Prime Minister bring interviewed live in America two weeks ago and he said that Britain invaded Iraq because he believed they had wpd's AT THE TIME. He admited that it is now apparent that they never did.
Your president Bush was interviewed and arragantly said SO WHAT? That is what this thread is about. Your President's arrogance, not the people of America.