PETA wants military to stop using animals in medical training

[RedGlitter]

Animals are not equivalent to humans they are here for our enjoyment and pleasure and for our food. Obviously I love animals but I also know thier place in the food chain.

Jester I don't subscribe to that. I don't believe at all that humans are any better than animals. what rulebook stated that animals are here for our food and pleasure?

[spot]

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

I can't change your mind but no human is worth another living being's life.

I wouldn't kill a wasp for enjoyment but I'd kill it if it was buzzing round my room and refused to leave through the window and I was trying to read a book and concentrate. That's the extent to which I value the life of a wasp.

Would you not give up a wasp's life to save a human's? I'm only asking to see if there's a level of life below which the value drops.

Originally Posted by Jester

Animals are not equivalent to humans they are here for our enjoyment and pleasure and for our food.

That's the best argument I know that Christianity is bunk, and I know quite a few. That one tops them all. No God could be that obscene and immoral.

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

Jester I don't subscribe to that. I don't believe at all that humans are any better than animals. what rulebook stated that animals are here for our food and pleasure?

1. They are fascinating, dreadful, and beautiful and therefore obviously pleasuarable.
2. They are here with us, created at the same time.
3. They are in an order lower than us in intelligence and we have dominion over them.

That makes animals, like everything else in this world ours to control, manipulate and/or consume. The nature of humanity is just that, a consumer or natural resources.

I'm sorry that it conflicts with your ideaology of animals, but the simple fact of the matter is we are superior and we are controllers of what we consider our domain.

That's the best argument I know that Christianity is bunk, and I know quite a few. That one tops them all. No God could be that obscene and immoral.

Spot, I realize you are Welsh, probably the finest society of humans ever to grace the doorstep of humanity, of which I have no doubt you are supreme among them, however, it is still not your place to establish God doesnt exist under the clause of 'obscene and immoral'. The created doesnt get to tell the Creator that He did it wrong.

Ya punk.

[suzy_creamcheese]

im wondering what this all has to do with religion.

People love to assume they have the right to do what they will with animals because"they can" therefore its in our interests to think its ok.

Im a carnivore so im aware it makes me hypocritical a bit, but i think that the absolute terror that these animals must go through for these practice runs make it a huge moral no no. Absolutely hideous. There can be no justification for it, certainly not for the sake of wars

Originally Posted by suzy_creamcheese

im wondering what this all has to do with religion.

People love to assume they have the right to do what they will with animals because"they can" therefore its in our interests to think its ok.

Im a carnivore so im aware it makes me hypocritical a bit, but i think that the absolute terror that these animals must go through for these practice runs make it a huge moral no no. Absolutely hideous. There can be no justification for it, certainly not for the sake of wars

Ask Spot, he brought it up. I just stated the obvious. As to the morality of it, until it is outlawed, which it one day will be I have no doubt, it is optional.

[RedGlitter]

but the simple fact of the matter is we are superior and we are controllers of what we consider our domain.

The simple fact of the matter is we're not the only species on earth. We just think we are. No person has a "right" to torture another living being. That's just how it is. I'm thinking we'd better agree to differ again because we're sure not going to change.

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

The simple fact of the matter is we're not the only species on earth. We just think we are. No person has a "right" to torture another living being. That's just how it is. I'm thinking we'd better agree to differ again because we're sure not going to change.

Agreed.

Red you know I love animals, I just love my buds who I fight alongside more than animals. If there was another alternative that gave the same confidence and reaction on the battlefield I'd advocate for that instead. It remains one of the most effective ways to train medics.

[spot]

Originally Posted by Jester

Ask Spot, he brought it up. I just stated the obvious. As to the morality of it, until it is outlawed, which it one day will be I have no doubt, it is optional.

Oh come on! Your post said "Animals are not equivalent to humans they are here for our enjoyment and pleasure and for our food" - that's an interpretation of chunks of Genesis and Acts and you've quoted the relevant passages in the past to support your view! Of course it's a religious statement!

Originally Posted by spot

Oh come on! Your post said "Animals are not equivalent to humans they are here for our enjoyment and pleasure and for our food" - that's an interpretation of chunks of Genesis and Acts and you've quoted the relevant passages in the past to support your view! Of course it's a religious statement!

Spot, of course there are many quotes from scripture that state as much as what I said. But it does not mean it is 'religious' as it is fact, isn't it obvious naturally that man has dominion over the animals? Many times plain religion follows the common sense of life, which of course makes sense, since it happens to be true.

It just so happens that I had that basic ideology long before I ever considered it as a religous fact.

Would you like another? I had a good understanding of authority based on my parents willingness to discipline me, long before I ever understood 'honor thy mother and father' as a religious promise of concequence or blessing.

There are many ideologies I hold that predate my fuller understanding of what the bible teaches, and often I prefer to discuss things non dogmatically, is that permissable?