"The more civilized we become, the less individual liberties we get to keep."

[Fakin'It]

"The more civilized we become, the less individual liberties we get to keep."

This was a quote from a member of another forum. He actually wrote it with an air of "of course, so what?"

What say you?



**I'd like to add a poll, but that option is apparently gone. **

This presupposes that we're actually becoming more civilized?

[Accountable]

This presupposes that we're actually becoming more civilized?

That's true. Same thing with "advanced".

[Fakin'It]

That's true. Same thing with "advanced".

According to Darwin, we shouldn't be here!

[halfway]

Our techno,ogy has far outpaced our civility.

I believe man is "fallen" and that very nature can barely be contained let alone completely changed. History shows this clearly.

[tabby]

There's civility and then there's the pretense of civility. The pretense is kind of handy ... you get to claim the moral high ground without actually having a clue.

[tabby]

My response was to Accountable's original post which I must have missed somewhere along the way and I probably should have read this entire thread before responding several pages later!

As for halfway's post, I think he's just making a generalization about how advances in science & technology have moved along faster than morality & ethics in human nature. Nuclear weapons v/s the inherent knowledge of if and when to use them, modern medicine that can keep patients alive albeit as "vegetables" and the resultant quandaries of quality of life, etc.

He sees man as "fallen" and I don't really agree with that part. Limited and repetitive, yes but not necessarily fallen.

[tabby]

I just made a post in response to AB's and now hers is gone ... am I hallucinating imaginary posts again or did I wander in this thread just talking to myself?

[AnneBoleyn]

I just pm'd you w/explanation! Criss-Cross!

[Fakin'It]

Our techno,ogy has far outpaced our civility.

I believe man is "fallen" and that very nature can barely be contained let alone completely changed. History shows this clearly.

Are you including the spiritual aspect of this word, "sin," in your conclusion?

[Ahso!]

According to Darwin, we shouldn't be here!

I didn't know that. Care to elaborate? Have you read anything Charles Darwin wrote?