FG poll.. Does mass Immigration concern you?

[oscar]

Originally Posted by Lon

Question?? How do the illegals get into the country? Unlike the U.S. with relatively easy access borders, you guys are surrounded by water. Do they come in from the sea?

They get to the shores of France through land and then risk life and limb clinging to the undersides of lorrys coming over the channel.

Number of illegal immigrants coming into UK on lorries doubles in two years | Mail Online

Many are smuggled in by the unscrupulous.

[Raven]

not to mention all the overstays of visas.

[buttercup]

Originally Posted by oscar

I actually agree with you BC... I too would like to see a world where we were truely global. However, you only have so many tax payers in one land to carry the burden.

Agree completely, however in Scotland we don't see the immigrants as a problem, we welcome them, they all work jobs we don't want to do and from what i have seen do it exceptionally well. We are already in population decline and many of our immigrants are returning home.

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Raven

Thats the problem. Noone seems to be able to figure out how to curb the ILLEGAL immigration, so they curb the one thing they can. Maybe hoping the numbers balance out? Who knows what goes on in the mind of a politician?

Economic warfare - cut off their sources of income and their viability as a source of income to others.

As for the politicians, they always go for the easiest targets and the best soundbytes rather than the root of the problem - it looks good in the short term which is all they're interested in.

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Lon

Question?? How do the illegals get into the country? Unlike the U.S. with relatively easy access borders, you guys are surrounded by water. Do they come in from the sea?

Some by sea, many in the backs of lorries (either with the drivers knowledge or without) or just fly in on a short stay visa and disappear.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr

Economic warfare - cut off their sources of income and their viability as a source of income to others.

As for the politicians, they always go for the easiest targets and the best soundbytes rather than the root of the problem - it looks good in the short term which is all they're interested in.

Like the cockle pickers? Easier said than done methinks. You would have to find a way so fake paperwork and passports are detected more easily. And stop the so called 'universities' that are used as cover to bring them all in on fake student visas

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Raven

Like the cockle pickers? Easier said than done methinks. You would have to find a way so fake paperwork and passports are detected more easily. And stop the so called 'universities' that are used as cover to bring them all in on fake student visas

The main problem is not how to block their income but how to prevent them being driven into an invisible market of exploitation by organised criminals.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by Raven

Like the cockle pickers? Easier said than done methinks. You would have to find a way so fake paperwork and passports are detected more easily. And stop the so called 'universities' that are used as cover to bring them all in on fake student visas

Surely it is not the Illegals that are the drain on the country? Illegals do not use the NHS opr apply for benifits and free housing for fear of detection. They are the ones who do the jobs that many Brits would not want. It is the legals that arrive with nothing and Immediately go into paid accomodation until they are housed, using the NHS and claiming benifit.

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by oscar

Surely it is not the Illegals that are the drain on the country? Illegals do not use the NHS opr apply for benifits and free housing for fear of detection. They are the ones who do the jobs that many Brits would not want. It is the legals that arrive with nothing and Immediately go into paid accomodation until they are housed, using the NHS and claiming benifit.

Unfortunately this is not the case - much of the cost lies in the existence of an invisible economy outside of the tax regime and also the checks are not applied sufficiently rigidly on the benefits and housing front to close that door to them.

Your logic also appears to be a touch skewed - if they have no NI number then how can they get the jobs that we do not want (these jobs are within the visible market) but, if they have a fake NI number then they can get housing and benefits.

Also, can you show how someone can get a residence visa to become a legal immigrant without showing a means of support which is one of the requirements for such. How then can they go straight onto benefits and into free housing? I think you might be mixing legal immigrants with asylum seekers here which is, as I said before, a different problem.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr

Unfortunately this is not the case - much of the cost lies in the existence of an invisible economy outside of the tax regime and also the checks are not applied sufficiently rigidly on the benefits and housing front to close that door to them.

Your logic also appears to be a touch skewed - if they have no NI number then how can they get the jobs that we do not want (these jobs are within the visible market) but, if they have a fake NI number then they can get housing and benefits.

Also, can you show how someone can get a residence visa to become a legal immigrant without showing a means of support which is one of the requirements for such. How then can they go straight onto benefits and into free housing? I think you might be mixing legal immigrants with asylum seekers here which is, as I said before, a different problem.

Most Illegals work in food outlets that are owned by Chinese, Indian etc. As In the case of the Cockle pickers, they are usually housed and kept by the owner. Jobs washing pans in a Chinese outlet or cockle picking is not a job favoured by the Brits. Although my friends workers are all legal, he bought a house for them that they all share and he pays all the bills there. This is fairly common with Illegal workers if they have family and the right connections here.

I'm sorry Bryn, I have sat on housing commitee's and do know that many immigrants go straight into B & B and onto the housing list with no means to support themselves. However, I do agree that in the main, it is asylum seekers.