FG poll.. Does mass Immigration concern you?

[Raven]

Whatever it is, it's complicated. And the question to be asked is what is the draw? Why would so many people come here? Stop the benefits, you stop the flow. Why would so many people risk their lives to get here?

[oscar]

Originally Posted by Raven

Whatever it is, it's complicated. And the question to be asked is what is the draw? Why would so many people come here? Stop the benefits, you stop the flow. Why would so many people risk their lives to get here?

Why do they travel through 3 or 4 safe countries to get to the shores of france and not want to stay in France? Of course it is our benifits.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by oscar

Why do they travel through 3 or 4 safe countries to get to the shores of france and not want to stay in France? Of course it is our benifits.

Well that would explain the whole 3rd world wanting to get into Britain! The problem with the current government is that they seem to think they will all fit!

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by oscar

Most Illegals work in food outlets that are owned by Chinese, Indian etc. As In the case of the Cockle pickers, they are usually housed and kept by the owner. Jobs washing pans in a Chinese outlet or cockle picking is not a job favoured by the Brits. Although my friends workers are all legal, he bought a house for them that they all share and he pays all the bills there. This is fairly common with Illegal workers if they have family and the right connections here.

I'm sorry Bryn, I have sat on housing commitee's and do know that many immigrants go straight into B & B and onto the housing list with no means to support themselves. However, I do agree that in the main, it is asylum seekers.

Waiter and washer up don't jump to mind as "jobs we don't want to do" as much as dustbinmen, street cleaners, sewage workers, etc - none of which are open to illegal immigrants without fake papers.

I'd also re-iterate my suggestion that it isn't asylum seekers "in the main", it's almost exclusively asylum seekers who go straight into free housing.

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Raven

Whatever it is, it's complicated. And the question to be asked is what is the draw? Why would so many people come here? Stop the benefits, you stop the flow. Why would so many people risk their lives to get here?

Certainly, no illegal immigrant should receive one penny in state benefits and it would be relatively easy to ensure that that was the case.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr

Certainly, no illegal immigrant should receive one penny in state benefits and it would be relatively easy to ensure that that was the case.

Surely they don't. The moment they apply, they are detected?

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by oscar

Surely they don't. The moment they apply, they are detected?

Would that they were - the checks that are in place are not sufficiently robust to do so.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr

Certainly, no illegal immigrant should receive one penny in state benefits and it would be relatively easy to ensure that that was the case.

I tend to agree with what was asked of me. If I wanted to immigrate here, I had to be prepared to work for it. And my husband had to be able to support and sponser my petition. I think benefits should be reserved for those CITIZENS who are in dire straits. Not poncers and asylum seekers. Who in their right minds, REALLY believes that Britain is the only place where folks would be safe from oppression?

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Raven

I tend to agree with what was asked of me. If I wanted to immigrate here, I had to be prepared to work for it. And my husband had to be able to support and sponser my petition. I think benefits should be reserved for those CITIZENS who are in dire straits. Not poncers and asylum seekers. Who in their right minds, REALLY believes that Britain is the only place where folks would be safe from oppression?

This is the point I have been trying to make to Oscar - that before you can legally come to this country you have to show that you will be able to support yourself without state assistance.

As to Asylum Seekers, the genuine ones have usually arrived with nothing and need support. They should get it - but the processing of their application should take a month at most with immediate deportation for those not accepted. Those with a genuine case should have help to set themselves up and get a job.

As to whether a non-citizen should be entitled to benefits, I'm of the mind that, if we accepted them for residency, we have some responsibility for their welfare for the period of their permit which is usually quite restricted. If, at the end of that period they are not able to show a viable means of support then the visa is not renewed and they are deported.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr

Would that they were - the checks that are in place are not sufficiently robust to do so.

I do not agree. The very first requirement for benifit of any kind is a national Insurence number.