FG Poll... Did Griffin merit his QT Appearence?....

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Snowfire

Utter bollocks Raven. English DNA ? What's that ?

We are mongrels We're not pure bred. Never have been. So what's English DNA ? Some Nordic, Danish, Franco, Germanic, Viking goodness knows what.

Racial preservation my arse.

Yes actually, you have been. I guess you have to go to Cornwall or Wales to figure that out.

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by Raven

Dont misunderstand me pet. It's the amount of immigration present that has contributed to the racial tension! It's immigrants from EVERYWHERE!
Just because he (Mr. Griffin) has some usavory views, doesnt mean he is not right about a few things. When you mix 61 million people together in a cramped tiny place, you are going to get some pretty explosive results. Just look at Watts and L.A. Goes on all the time there.

Of course we have immigration problems. Of course we have racial tensions. I think much of that has been caused by this Labour government that we have foisted upon us . My point is, we shouldnt be lulled into thinking that the BNP has come close to solving our problems, purely because they wear an expensive suit and speak softer and more educated than the former leader of the National Front, John Tyndall. They're all cut from the same cloth. Its a PR exercise that most of us aint buying. Immigration isnt a problem that should be hinged around a racial problem. Colour has sod all to do with it. Too many people sharing the same plot of land might but colour ? Of course not.

Yes we're a soft touch. Yes we're any easy target for the greedy. We have enough home bred lazy, greedy gits. But by what stretch of the imagination do we arrive at giving succour to a Holocaust denying facist, who bases his motives around racial stereotypes and ignorant bigotry ?

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by Raven

Yes actually, you have been. I guess you have to go to Cornwall or Wales to figure that out.

So how far do we want to go back ? Arent we all descended from a single tribe in Africa ? The whole world can be traced back to that singularity

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Snowfire

So how far do we want to go back ? Arent we all descended from a single tribe in Africa ? The whole world can be traced back to that singularity

As far back as need be to figure out who you are and what you stand for. Tea, the Queen, and Sunday Roasts, changing of the guard at the palace, red phone boxes, and Lord Mayors Parade? What makes you ENGLISH? What makes GMC a SCOT? Can Mikinie say why IRISH? It's a heritage thats under fire here. Not racial perfection. Thats very GERMAN.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Snowfire

Of course we have immigration problems. Of course we have racial tensions. I think much of that has been caused by this Labour government that we have foisted upon us . My point is, we shouldnt be lulled into thinking that the BNP has come close to solving our problems, purely because they wear an expensive suit and speak softer and more educated than the former leader of the National Front, John Tyndall. They're all cut from the same cloth. Its a PR exercise that most of us aint buying. Immigration isnt a problem that should be hinged around a racial problem. Colour has sod all to do with it. Too many people sharing the same plot of land might but colour ? Of course not.

Yes we're a soft touch. Yes we're any easy target for the greedy. We have enough home bred lazy, greedy gits. But by what stretch of the imagination do we arrive at giving succour to a Holocaust denying facist, who bases his motives around racial stereotypes and ignorant bigotry ?

You dont. There was an MP in the 50's or 60's that told a few home truths as well and was pillocked for it. I saw a young guy on the telly say something about this country being founded on freedom of speech. No it wasnt! That was America mate. The point is, even the English dont know what ENGLAND is about. So if they dont know, then how can you in anyway PRESERVE what ENGLISH HERITAGE is? May as well give it to the immigrants. Which is what it looks like you are doing. Do you like the idea of a spinarette in place of Nelson?

[farmer giles]

Originally Posted by kazalala

Griffin is not the ONLY one to want to tackle immigration.. his motives however are far different to others, and that is what i object to.

good point kaza

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by Raven

As far back as need be to figure out who you are and what you stand for. Tea, the Queen, and Sunday Roasts, changing of the guard at the palace, red phone boxes, and Lord Mayors Parade? What makes you ENGLISH? What makes GMC a SCOT? Can Mikinie say why IRISH? It's a heritage thats under fire here. Not racial perfection. Thats very GERMAN.

And long may that all continue. We have been invaded from all sides since our existance. We are no les English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish.

We can look after ourselves without the help of Griffin.

I'm afraid racial perfection is far from being exclusively German. Its alive and kicking in all four corners of the globe. Including Africa

[farmer giles]

nick gremlin was bleating on about a pure british race that can be traced back for thousands of years,but oscar told me he comes from a romany gypsy family they have only been in the uk foe a few hundred years

er pot ...kettle ....

what a total plum

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Snowfire

And long may that all continue. We have been invaded from all sides since our existance. We are no les English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish.

We can look after ourselves without the help of Griffin.

I'm afraid racial perfection is far from being exclusively German. Its alive and kicking in all four corners of the globe. Including Africa

Yeah but it's mostly attributed to the infamous western brand labeled NAZI. At least here in the west.
We keep bleating on about the holocaust and yet we stand by and do nothing about genocide perpertrated by Serbia? And what do you guys do when they come here for asylum? Rip 'em up. So I say all objections to Griffin are a smoke screen to something else. Everyone I know is a racist in one way or another. Actually they are something worse. Hypocrits. But why? Why be against someone who is openly a fascist and then turn around and bleat on about the irish gypsies or 'travelers' as you call them? I really dont get you lot at all.

[Bruv]

Originally Posted by Raven

Are you so sure it is not racial preservation thats needed here? Let me say it again, NOT racial perfection, but racial preservation. You guys are so seriousally a minority in your own country, it's beyond funny. The only places you can find the ENGLISH these days, in any numbers, are Spain, America, New Zealand and Australia. I think it is good that your former colonies have grown in numbers, because that may be the only outposts for ENGLISH DNA soon.

Is racial preservation just another educated smarmy way of saying racial perfection or racial integrity ?
There are many parts of our cultural identity, that is English cultural indentity that depends on our immigrant population, how about a night out without a curry or a kebab ? Sacrilege !!!!!
The essence of England is in its diversity, its compassion, its tolerance (we even tolerate racist tossers)
What we need is a great big melting pot.