FG Poll... Did Griffin merit his QT Appearence?....

[oscar]

OK Brits... It's over. For Our American and Commonwealth peeps who have been wondering what all the fuss was over, tonight, the leader of the Far Right Party, The BNP's Leader Nick Griffin for the first time in history shared the platform with Prominent MP's. The BBC are already giving record viewing figures.

So how do you think he merited his appearence.

An anonymous poll again so please vote.

[buttercup]

I voted he merited his appearance well, my reason for doing so is he came across just how 'most' think he is, he has to come away from that show disappointed, i cant see how he would gain more votes from it.
I go a lot on the facial expression, gestures, body posture, tone of voice ect, i found nothing about Mr Griffin appealing.

Edit - Actually i would have liked to see this programme go on longer, maybe another hour, let's face it you don't get into politics if you cant handle the heat and i never seen the temperature rise much during this show. If Griffin felt shaky in the short time of that broadcast it would have been most interesting to prolong it.

[G#Gill]

Did you notice how his hands were shaking? I believe he was very nervous, and I thought that he did not come over all that well for the BNP. I think he found it difficult at times to answer coherently, some of the questions. He also was not very convincing trying to explain his apparent friendliness with certain 'name' muslim and racist people. I don't think he would have made any converts, and I think he would have been disappointed in not being able to use the television time to his advantage.
That is my neutral and objective opinion, for what it's worth.

By the way, I think the BNP would do better if they got rid of Mr. Nick Buffoon with his beliefs that the holocaust was only a propaganda stunt and didn't really happen!
The man's not in the real world if he really believes that !!!! The BNP should find a more sensible leader - and quickly!

[oscar]

Originally Posted by G#Gill

Did you notice how his hands were shaking? I believe he was very nervous, and I thought that he did not come over all that well for the BNP. I think he found it difficult at times to answer coherently, some of the questions. He also was not very convincing trying to explain his apparent friendliness with certain 'name' muslim and racist people. I don't think he would have made any converts, and I think he would have been disappointed in not being able to use the television time to his advantage.
That is my neutral and objective opinion, for what it's worth.

By the way, I think the BNP would do better if they got rid of Mr. Nick Buffoon with his beliefs that the holocaust was only a propaganda stunt and didn't really happen!
The man's not in the real world if he really believes that !!!! The BNP should find a more sensible leader - and quickly!

Ok.. Oscar is going to go into a full rant now. Frankly, After all the comments of late on the subject of the BNP, I don't give a toss what people think of me when I post this rant. I trust that folk here will take my word for It that I would be saying this weather it was Griffin or any other polictian which ever Party they represent.

[b]SHAME ON THE BIAS BBC[/

First of all, I find it astonishing that the so called 'Tolerent' folk in our so called free democratic society were arrested for VIOLENT disorder in a pathetic attempt to stop an MP speaking. That is fascism.... not the man who was ASKED to appear.

In my humble opinion, It was a set up from the beginning. He was attacked, attacked and attacked again from the moment the prog began. This was NOT Question Time... this was 'Let the panal try to humiliate Griffin' in the name of debate.
The hand picked audience was naturally hostile due to being 60% ethnic minority. When they asked questions, the panal was allowed to vent their disgust at Griffin. When questions were raised in Griffins favour, they were shouted down. It was a bias, hostile Chair, panel and audience.
Griffin did come across as nervous in the beginning and he had every right to be at that bias barrage as any politician would have been. The audience were allowed by the chair to use expressions such as 'Your slimey hands' to whip up more hostility. Imagine the up-roar if an audience member had used the same expression to say 'Dianne Abbot' should she have been on the panel.?
Frankly, The terminology used by Conservative Sayeeda Hussain Warsi using the phrase 'Black and Brown people was appalling and again, Imagine the up-roar should Griffin have used that phrase?
If anyone is saying different, then I think your a hypocrite.
The barmy woman on the right side ( so interesting, I can't remember her name) had nothing to add and nothing to say. She started banging on about the Ice age for fecks sake. No wonder Griffin laughed at her.
Griffin was spoken over by the chair throughout the prog. Toward to end he came across as incoherant but I have been in a question answer situation and It's not until you have been in that position that you know, you tend to do that. You have to get an answer out quick because you know you will be shouted down or talked over. Griffin, I believe, realised that very early on.
I went straight to the website 'BBC Have your say' straight after the prog and comments were puring in. People who said they would never vote for the BNP agree that he was bullyed, co-hersed and the whole prog was bias. In those circumstances, I believe he did very well. he came under fire with accusation after accusation yet he did not retaliate by throwing accusations about them. (except for Jack Straw's father but he deserved that).
By the end of the prog, Jack Straw wriggles and squirmed about Immigration and finally could offer nothing in the way of new policies except his points system that is not even in place, it has merely been proposed a week ago and by the time It goes through Cameron will be sitting in NO 10. At least the Tory spoke of caps being brought into place under their Government.
Where I do think Griffin shone was over Homosexulaity and telling the truth that the BNP does not want to rid this country of anyone with different coloured skin.
There was a girl in the audience who asked Griffin his reasons for wanting total withdrawal from the EU. The Chair, Dimbelby promised to return to that question as he promised another man he would return to the question of Immigration vs Unemployment. He went back to neither of them and if that's not bias I don't know what is. Probably worried that Griffin would ask Straw why they sold us out on an EU referendum. Another woman asked the question to Griffin what his re-patronisation policy was. Again, Dimbleby promised to come back to this question but didn't. I also think Griffin came across very well about Churchill. The quotes he gave from Churchill are Indeed correct... he did warn of Islam in one of his books. I thought his best answer was the fact we were in Iraq Illegally and I didn't see any of them answer him. All in all, I believe under the hostile circumstances, he did well. If that upsets folks here... so be It. I made an Impartial view of the whole Prog. The Tory woman did make some very good points and I thought the Lib Dem guy did very well.

Rant Over

FFS... I have just been on my Politcal British forum and there is a thread telling us that already, only 3 hours after it was aired, the video's of QT are on you tube with Griffins good bits already edited out. Still, I suppose we could expect nothing less. Why feel the need to edit his plausible parts out of the show? Says alot to me and it should say alot to you !!!!!

[farmer giles]

i have not voted as i did not want to seem in favour of nick gremlin at all

am i glad the bbc showed him on TV you bet i am

i felt that gremlin has really shot himself in both feet big time

he came across exactly how he is

a lying racist toad

gremlin said the press misquote me

one ot the other guest said but i have you on video saying exactly that mr gremlin

gremlin why did you say the halocosts (spelling) never happened gremlin says i have no idea why i said that

do you believe there was one

i do now as we intercepted a radio message from germany ?????? what

at the end of the day it was a good day for free speach

if you put muppets like this on tv they usually show themselves for what they are laughable racist idiots

edited out his good bits indeed oscey what good bit was that ????? nick gremlin leaving the BBC

[kazalala]

he came across badly and it was his own fault ,, not the others,,, he knew he would be questioned,,let him take responsibility for himself

[Bruv]

I didn't vote in the poll, because the question is ambiguous, does 'merit' mean he should have appeared and did well ? Or does it mean he should have appeared full stop ?

While agreeing it was a team effort to gang up on him, he knew that before he went on there.

I am glad he appeared and was happy with his showing, because he did show himself up for the man he is, more of the same please and the UDF's job becomes un-needed he can do it all on his own.

I don't believe the audience was hand picked, they normally have a wide selection of ethnics.

[farmer giles]

Originally Posted by Bruv

I didn't vote in the poll, because the question is ambiguous, does 'merit' mean he should have appeared and did well ? Or does it mean he should have appeared full stop ?

While agreeing it was a team effort to gang up on him, he knew that before he went on there.

I am glad he appeared and was happy with his showing, because he did show himself up for the man he is, more of the same please and the UDF's job becomes un-needed he can do it all on his own.

I don't believe the audience was hand picked, they normally have a wide selection of ethnics.

er what he said

[Imladris]

I'm not voting either.

I thought he showed not all of himself but quite a lot. His twitching and shaking his head when quoted, denying whatever he was quoted as saying seems to be the norm, he looked very uncomfortable at times (as he should).

On the other hand I thought the other panellists performed very well, Bonnie Greer was great and I even liked what Jack Straw was saying at times (despite myself, a non-Labour supporter!)

[oscar]

This is a comment from The Mail online today and confirms what I already knew.

"I was in the QT audience last night. Before we went into the studio for filming we were held in a holding room. (I was in there for over two hours) I was on my own and was never aware you could get multiple tickets. I arrived early and it became very obvious that groups of people were arriving who new each other. I spoke to three different people who worked for an agency who supplied audience people for the BBC.

Before the show the Chairman of the panel came into the holding room and encouraged us to boo and shout if we did not agree with certain things that were said by the panel. He said as we had Griffin on the show, we don't want to miss an opportunity.

This was an organised stitch up by the BBC.
- Peter, Oxford, Oxfordshire, 23/10/2009 10:56


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222331/BNP-leader-Nick-Griffin-complain-BBC-unfair-treatment-Question-Time.html#ixzz0UlaHvcMp"

Are all you people aware that QT was filmed 3 hours early and edited???? Are you aware that just hours after the EDITED programme was shown, the prog was on You Tube having been heavilly edited yet again?
And you call this a democratic and fair country? It was a farce and total bollocks.