Is Barry Obama a naturalized citizen?

Originally Posted by yaaarrrgg

What kind of evidence would count as proof? I googled an image to the document in one try ...



Someone with a name name like "Barack Hussein Obama" is unlikely to be lying about their name ... it's a horrible name. Like that old ad .. with a name like Smuckers, it's got to be good.

And another, from fact check.org:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFil...tificate_3.jpg

I want barry to allow the investigation and I want a court appointed investigator to verify the stamper of this document, and the document that he used to verify the certificate of verfication.

I want to be SURE 100% sure he is a Us Soil Born Citizen and elegiable per out constitution to be POTUS.

is that too much to ask?

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The claim is, yaaarrrgg, that the physical document he's been using all these years is a forgery.

Assuming those BTS posts are genuine court documents then yes, it's great fun and if it's actually true then I agree he's ineligible to stand and it will be the event of the year. It's an odd way to get justice in the election but if it forces McCain into office then that's what it'll have done.

It does seem quite believable that he was born in Kenya, away from US soil, and that the under-19 rule is real, and that since he never applied by alternative available routes for citizenship he's not got it and can't now get it.

[yaaarrrgg]

Originally Posted by Jester

I want barry to allow the investigation and I want a court appointed investigator to verify the stamper of this document, and the document that he used to verify the certificate of verfication.

I want to be SURE 100% sure he is a Us Soil Born Citizen and elegiable per out constitution to be POTUS.

is that too much to ask?

He's let several people inspect the documents. It should be public record as well... at least the public notice.

You want to chew up all his time in court so he can't run a fair race? Why don't we do the same for McCain to make it fair. For all we know, he's a Manchurian candidate that was captured in East Asia, and programmed to destroy the U.S.

Maybe the burden of proof should be on the people making the claim that he's not American?

[BTS]

Originally Posted by yaaarrrgg

What kind of evidence would count as proof? I googled an image to the document in one try ...



Someone with a name name like "Barack Hussein Obama" is unlikely to be lying about their name ... it's a horrible name. Like that old ad .. with a name like Smuckers, it's got to be good.

And another, from fact check.org:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFil...tificate_3.jpg

Like I say.............It seems to have merit and is not over yet.
Let's just waint and see what happens.


Philip J Berg lawsuit, Berg response to Obama motion, Internet rumor, Update from Mr. Berg

October 2, 2008 · 10 Comments

There was an internet rumor yesterday, October 1, 2008 that the judge had provided a ruling and that Obama had 3 days to provide proof of citizenship. We received an email from Philip J Berg late last night. Here is the official statement from Mr. Berg:
“Oct 1, 2008 11:25 PM
I just received an email from a blogger who states they received confirmation the order was signed and Obama was ordered to turn over his vault certificate within three (3) days. Attached to the email was a copy of our “Proposed” order which was filed as page one with our Opposition.
We have not received any order. The first page of our Opposition is a “proposed” order which we are required to complete. If the Judge agrees with our argument, which we of course hope he does, the order would then and only then be signed.
As of today’s date an Order has not been issued. The motions are still pending. I just want to clarify this as it has now streamed across the internet and it is not true, which may lead people to false hopes.
Thank you.
Phil”
Philip J Berg’s website:
http://obamacrimes.com

Originally Posted by spot

The claim is, yaaarrrgg, that the physical document he's been using all these years is a forgery.

Assuming those BTS posts are genuine court documents then yes, it's great fun and if it's actually true then I agree he's ineligible to stand and it will be the event of the year. It's an odd way to get justice in the election but if it forces McCain into office then that's what it'll have done.

It does seem quite believable that he was born in Kenya, away from US soil, and that the under-19 rule is real, and that since he never applied by alternative available routes for citizenship he's not got it and can't now get it.

And what is his legal name? This is all kind of crazy, but if he was adopted by his mothers second husband then he is not using his legal name.

He's a lawyer, or is he? Is that contract he signed valid as Barack Obama if his name is Barry Seatoe?

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Originally Posted by Jester

And what is his legal name? This is all kind of crazy, but if he was adopted by his mothers second husband then he is not using his legal name.

He's a lawyer, or is he? Is that contract he signed valid as Barack Obama if his name is Barry Seatoe?

We don't have a concept of "legal name" in England, here we can call ourselves by any forename or surname we want to, we don't need to register it. What a person calls himself is his name, it's that simple. If he calls himself something with the intent to defraud then that's covered as just plain fraud. If he calls himself anything simply because he wants to then he can ask for a passport in that name and he'll get it. I suspect the rules will change in the next few years but for the time being it's as it's always been and it's nicely anarchic.

I know that has nothing to do with Senator Obama or US law, I just thought you'd like to know. Because it's such a fun fact.

[yaaarrrgg]

Originally Posted by spot

The claim is, yaaarrrgg, that the physical document he's been using all these years is a forgery.

Assuming those BTS posts are genuine court documents then yes, it's great fun and if it's actually true then I agree he's ineligible to stand and it will be the event of the year. It's an odd way to get justice in the election but if it forces McCain into office then that's what it'll have done.

It does seem quite believable that he was born in Kenya, away from US soil, and that the under-19 rule is real, and that since he never applied by alternative available routes for citizenship he's not got it and can't now get it.

It's a conspiracy theory of course, so no amount of evidence will matter. You can't refute a conspiracy theory ... it's like a black hole that gobbles up all lack of evidence as evidence, and redefines all real evidence as non-evidence.

But with any conspiracy there is an equal and opposite conspiracy theory. Maybe the real conspiracy is directed against Obama to harm him in the election. How unlikely is it that one desperate, losing politician, would spread unfounded rumors about another?

What's more likely?

[spot]

Originally Posted by yaaarrrgg

It's a conspiracy theory of course, so no amount of evidence will matter. You can't refute a conspiracy theory ... it's like a black hole that gobbles up all lack of evidence as evidence, and redefines all real evidence as non-evidence.

But with any conspiracy there is an equal and opposite conspiracy theory. Maybe the real conspiracy is directed against Obama to harm him in the election. How unlikely is it that one desperate, losing politician, would spread unfounded rumors about another?

What's more likely?

No, it's a court case. The only thing that will have any consequence is if the court finds in favour of the application.

Originally Posted by yaaarrrgg

It's a conspiracy theory of course, so no amount of evidence will matter. You can't refute a conspiracy theory ... it's like a black hole that gobbles up all lack of evidence as evidence, and redefines all real evidence as non-evidence.

But with any conspiracy there is an equal and opposite conspiracy theory. Maybe the real conspiracy is directed against Obama to harm him in the election. How unlikely is it that one desperate, losing politician, would spread unfounded rumors about another?

What's more likely?

It's a step in the process for me, if I were to vote for Obama Id liek it clarified, heres why, what if he gets in and this gets heard and we find out he was born in Kenya, an dhi smother scurried him to hawaii to get US citizenship, claiming he was born through a midwife at home. I believe the suit claims she did not get on the airline for hawaii due to her advanced stage of pregnancy.

If Im an obama suporter Id want to know that once he won he'd be able to stay in office.

had you said the same thing about McCain and had compelling proof like this or at least a good story to throw up a few red flags of question Id want it settled too.

So why is he dodging it and not providing proof or going along with an investigation?

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Originally Posted by spot

No, it's a court case. The only thing that will have any consequence is if the court finds in favour of the application.

Thanks spot..........there is a BIG difference between a conspiracy theory and a law suit.