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    Re: Meg's Pub..... philosophers club.

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    I think that there are quite a lot of instances of multi-nationals bribing / blackmailing governments by promising to move facilities to a country / threatening to close their facilities in a country. Until there is a global taxation agency they can play one country against another as to who gets their tax payments / who gets their employee count.
    Yes, there is a list of multi nationals who dont pay any tax at all in this country. And our government just decided to give those who pay very little more tax breaks.....go figure. Global taxation? Cant see it happening myself......but i suppose the threat of an uprising because of corruption could put it right. It happens all the time .

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    Re: Meg's Pub..... philosophers club.

    Is there a philosophical argument for women studying philosophy?.....why would you want to know old thoughts of men when their thoughts didnt involve females

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    Is there a philosophical argument for women studying philosophy?.....why would you want to know old thoughts of men when their thoughts didnt involve females
    It's a good way to discover how we got to where we are now and the inclusions/exclusions that were only imposed specific civilizations. Besides, in a college class, you get to write interesting papers. Taking a philosophy course a few years back, long after I needed any additional degrees, I wrote a paper that the prof thanked me for. In trying to grade it, he had to consult the physics department and the religion department. The assignment was "who is your favorite philosopher and why". Oh, that one was fun to write! A year or two later, I took a class called "the psychology of women". I was the only male in the class (after the first class session). That one was interesting and fun too.

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    Oh dear god....
    Okay everyone ! Huddle around the bar .....come on wandrin, you know darn well we all want to know what you learned about the psychology of woman.

    Bar tender!!!! Lock the door! Nobody leaves!

    Ga head, Wandrin waiting with baited breath...... which begs the question why i would eat bait in the first place .....(btw, that was an example of Wittgenstein)

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    Ha ha... It actually was an interesting course, made even more interesting by the age gap between me and my fellow students.

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    Re: Meg's Pub..... philosophers club.

    "Women. They aren't like us, people."* (Comment by a friend's Dad when driving years ago shortly after the map reading instruction, "Take the last left...")

    We can go through a list of stereotypes: When faced with a friend's situation, men offer solutions, women offer sympathy. But that just deals with individual cases, it doesn't produce any overarching theory about the whole spectrum of possible behaviours.

    I'm told that a girl baby will sit quietly and play when a boy baby will be smashing the table lamp, then that an adolescent girl will sulk for weeks where a boy will sulk for maybe a day. We all know the stereotype that girls spend hours doing themselves up to go out where the boys try to impress them.

    So is it all about sex, babies and family, when we actually get down to the differences? I'm inclined to think so. Let's say we've been around as our current human species for 200,000 years. We've gone from hunter-gatherer groups such as are now occasionally still found in the Amazon Rainforest or highland Borneo to modern in the last 10,000 with a lot of that change in the last 150 years.

    If those figures can be accepted as a rough guide, then for more than 95% of our existence as a species our individual existence has depended on being part of a small extended family group of perhaps thirty. All the evidence we have, and there's not a huge amount, suggests that the women looked after the kids and picked berries and the men went off and killed something. Fighting women seem rare but not unknown: Boudicca is our British one, and what set her off? The violation of her family. Besides, childbirth was incredibly dangerous. I think it's been calculated that before modern medicine, about 44% of women would die as a result of childbirth. Would you really have risked them in a Mammoth hunt as well? Possibly...but only in a safe role such as waving burning branches in a group to steer the animal in a particular direction, perhaps?

    My point is that for almost all our existence as a species, women have been killed by childbirth more than anything else, but they kept doing it. It's an incredibly strong drive, as is a mother's love for her kids. That's not to say there isn't some complaining, but watch almost any Mum...and bear in mind it's only recently that more than half kids born made it to 7 years old. Many didn't make the first year. So either you avoided sex completely, were infertile, or you spent your life with a 50/50 chance of death for every baby and a 50/50 chance that kid wouldn't make it to adulthood. One of the few women I can think of from those times who made a name for herself was St Hilda, an Abbess.

    Grim. Though perhaps not entirely so - I love the recent find of 6,000 year old footprints in the mud of the Severn Estuary which show a group moving slowly long a shoreline, while all around them there are smaller footprints going here there and everywhere. It is assumed that these were women collecting shellfish while the kids played around them.

    Being a man seemed much more about hunting and fighting. Food and protection.

    To survive at all, women have had to be enormously tough, both physically and mentally. Oh, and from a species point of view, for women sex is the start of something. For men (forget love for a moment and just think species) it's the end, job done. If women were spiders we'd be eaten at that point because at no point after that are we necessary. Just potentially enormously helpful because as many have pointed out, raising kids takes a lot of food. Thank heavens for love

    Then above and beyond those basic survival-as-a-species functions we have these big brains which appear to be connected with surviving extreme ecological stress but have left us, in combination with those survival instincts, with imagination, empathy, the ability to think in symbols and plan ahead and the ability to recall and reflect on our experiences.

    Hmm. Would women want an external womb if they could have it? Literally all done in a test tube and incubator so you just turn up to collect on the due date? What difference if any would it make to how you felt about the kid?


    * I've put a comma in the quotation but if it was there, it was only just...
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    Lone voice: "I'm not."

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    Re: Meg's Pub..... philosophers club.

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    Could be why suicide isnt illegal anymore and (in my state anyway) assisted dying is legal
    In the UK it is still illegal - it was decriminalised in 1961 (meaning that you wouldn't be prosecuted for it). However, you can still be sectioned (be forcibly detained without trial & made to undergo psychiatric treatment).

    Assisted dying is not legal in the UK, although there is a growing degree of support to make it so.

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    Re: Meg's Pub..... philosophers club.

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    Is there a philosophical argument for women studying philosophy?.....why would you want to know old thoughts of men when their thoughts didnt involve females
    I cannot see any argument for restricting who can study what in any area.

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    When you think about it, large multi-national corporations can bring a lot of bargaining chips to the table for almost any country. If you give them the tax break they would like, they will buy land and build some huge data center and power it with renewable energy (the leftovers being available to the local power grid). They will then hire and train the engineers, technicians, office staff, and specialists needed to run the operation, thus creating a lot of new well paying jobs. Such a project could be a boon to any country or region. It's all in the trade offs. What do you gain vs what do you lose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandrin View Post
    When you think about it, large multi-national corporations can bring a lot of bargaining chips to the table for almost any country. If you give them the tax break they would like, they will buy land and build some huge data center and power it with renewable energy (the leftovers being available to the local power grid). They will then hire and train the engineers, technicians, office staff, and specialists needed to run the operation, thus creating a lot of new well paying jobs. Such a project could be a boon to any country or region. It's all in the trade offs. What do you gain vs what do you lose?
    What you get, once a government has started to give the multi-national perks to move to that country is blackmail - give us more perks or we'll take all of those jobs away and move to another country.

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