thoughts on evolution please

[farmer giles]

i have tried to find my faith i really have but although i went to church and meetings it somehow failed to happen for me

i am a member of a few forums and on one of them the members are having a great debate about it ,not none of that post link proving nothing

i was talking to my god squad mate and he started going on about god in a nice way then he said some people say we come from monkeys ,what a load of rubbish if we came from monkeys why are there still monkeys about ???

at this point i should of just nodded in agreement and said nothing but for some reason i said yes but paul we do still have tail bones that we dont use anymore maybe there is a chance that evolution could of happened

at this point he got quite upset and started spouting stuff like i suppose life just happened to start up on its own then

i did not answer , i just looked away ,but he go even more annoyed with me and said well could it of just sprung up on its own without god starting it huh ????

and at this point i should not of said well where did god come from then mate but i did

he went into full attack mode saying stuff like the devil puts fossils in the ground to ruin mans faith etc (watch the lewis black youtube sketch)

i'm happy to say i kept my mouth shut from this point and he calmed down and we are still friends

i guess when it comes to god i want to be proven wrong i want there to be one when my friend talks about god any thoughts that evolution happens disproves god exists and this upsets him

so thoughts on evolution please .. any one who might act like my friend please stay off of the thread or start a evolutionists will burn in hell thread which i will gladly stay out of

[farmer giles]

this is quite interesting


YouTube - Creationist and Reasonble Doubt Mirror for DonExodus2

[oscar]

Originally Posted by farmer giles

i was talking to my god squad mate and he started going on about god in a nice way then he said some people say we come from monkeys ,what a load of rubbish if we came from monkeys why are there still monkeys about ???

Humans did not evolve from monkey's.

Evolution: Online Lessons for Students: Lesson 5

[farmer giles]

if you can keep seperate origin of life and evolution

the evolution can seen to be working beyond any reasonable doubt

[Accountable]

You're trying to find scientific proof of faith?

Evidence abounds of a species evolving through natural selection into a better species. No one's found any evidence of one species 'evolving' into another, such as a robin laying an eagle egg or something like that.

We have five fingers, five toes. The odd human has six, but that's considered anomaly. Most animals have similar bone structure. Bats, for instance, have five finger bones in their wings. Horses & such have fewer, but the structure is still there. We all have the same number of joints from hip to foot.

Proving or disproving evolution will do nothing for you faith, because faith isn't based on science. Faith is believing in the absence of evidence.

The first time you let a child or a pet out of your sight, you have little real evidence that they will come back, but you have faith. Sorry that's the best analogy I could come up with on short notice.

Stop trying to find proof of faith. It only causes stress. Think of the times good things happened when there was no proof it would come out right. Maybe that'll get a ball rolling.


ETA: OO! OO! I just thought of this: you're placing too much faith in science. Science can't prove everything. There's no proof that scientific study can help your faith in God, yet you have faith that it will anyway.

[gmc]

YouTube - UC Berkeley Event (1/6) - Richard Dawkins

It's something you need to make up your own mind about. The more I read and study the less religious I become. I find also many religious people do not want to think about their beliefs and why they believe what they do. In turn They want you to just accept their truth without question and without accepting the validity of anything that might not agree with that belief. When they find themselves unable to defend their belief to their own satisfaction often the argument turns in to an attack on the character of the person disagreeing with them. Whomsoever they can't convert they would destroy instead and the most cursory glance through history will throw up umpteen examples where that kind of mentality has held sway and there are plenty around who think that way even now and given half a chance would have us all bowing heads to their one god.

A secular society can tolerate different faiths, lifestyles, belief systems and live and let live. A religious one can't, for all the sentiments about tolerance and understanding there is always an-except for-----those and such as those, and by the way never question. The problem is not that secularists won't tolerate religion it's that religious people want the right to stop anyone suggesting there might be a different way to view things and demand respect and the right to push their beliefs while at the same time trying to shut up non believers.

Biggest problem we have in the UK is in separate religious schools-it was bad enough catholic/protestant now we have Muslim in the mix as well. They perpetuate bigotry in a way that should perhaps not be tolerated. Keep religion out of schools except as a general subject.

[farmer giles]

[quote=Accountable;1216360]You're trying to find scientific proof of faith?

there is no proof to be found as i believe he/she/it does not exist maybe i'm looking for proof that evolution exsists ..who knows

Originally Posted by gmc

YouTube - UC Berkeley Event (1/6) - Richard Dawkins

It's something you need to make up your own mind about. The more I read and study the less religious I become. I find also many religious people do not want to think about their beliefs and why they believe what they do. In turn They want you to just accept their truth without question and without accepting the validity of anything that might not agree with that belief. When they find themselves unable to defend their belief to their own satisfaction often the argument turns in to an attack on the character of the person disagreeing with them. Whomsoever they can't convert they would destroy instead and the most cursory glance through history will throw up umpteen examples where that kind of mentality has held sway and there are plenty around who think that way even now and given half a chance would have us all bowing heads to their one god.

A secular society can tolerate different faiths, lifestyles, belief systems and live and let live. A religious one can't, for all the sentiments about tolerance and understanding there is always an-except for-----those and such as those, and by the way never question. The problem is not that secularists won't tolerate religion it's that religious people want the right to stop anyone suggesting there might be a different way to view things and demand respect and the right to push their beliefs while at the same time trying to shut up non believers.

Biggest problem we have in the UK is in separate religious schools-it was bad enough catholic/protestant now we have Muslim in the mix as well. They perpetuate bigotry in a way that should perhaps not be tolerated. Keep religion out of schools except as a general subject.

a fantastic post i agree with every word ,i wish i had your word skills to get my points across in such a way

[Richard Bell]

Originally Posted by farmer giles

i was talking to my god squad mate and he started going on about god in a nice way then he said some people say we come from monkeys ,what a load of rubbish if we came from monkeys why are there still monkeys about ???

...because humans didn't evolve from monkeys, no more than the domestic housecat evolved from lions or tigers.

Modern primates (including homo sapiens) branched off from a common ancestor about six million years ago. Since that time. we have evolved along our own paths. That's why there are lemurs, monkeys, apes, and homo sapiens today. Our species have evolved and adapted along the way to become what we are today, whether you are a human being, gorilla, or howler monkey.

You can see it in other species as well. Felines branched off from a common ancestor in the distant past, giving rise to civets, lynx, tigers, lions, wildcats, jaguars, cougars, housecats, etc., all of which coexist in the modern world.

[FUBAR]

Originally Posted by gmc

YouTube - UC Berkeley Event (1/6) - Richard Dawkins

It's something you need to make up your own mind about. The more I read and study the less religious I become. I find also many religious people do not want to think about their beliefs and why they believe what they do. In turn They want you to just accept their truth without question and without accepting the validity of anything that might not agree with that belief. When they find themselves unable to defend their belief to their own satisfaction often the argument turns in to an attack on the character of the person disagreeing with them. Whomsoever they can't convert they would destroy instead and the most cursory glance through history will throw up umpteen examples where that kind of mentality has held sway and there are plenty around who think that way even now and given half a chance would have us all bowing heads to their one god.

A secular society can tolerate different faiths, lifestyles, belief systems and live and let live. A religious one can't, for all the sentiments about tolerance and understanding there is always an-except for-----those and such as those, and by the way never question. The problem is not that secularists won't tolerate religion it's that religious people want the right to stop anyone suggesting there might be a different way to view things and demand respect and the right to push their beliefs while at the same time trying to shut up non believers.

Biggest problem we have in the UK is in separate religious schools-it was bad enough catholic/protestant now we have Muslim in the mix as well. They perpetuate bigotry in a way that should perhaps not be tolerated. Keep religion out of schools except as a general subject.

Very well put. I think that the only reason that there the different religions aren't exterminating each other is that the west has so many secular governments. No government with a strong religious element can resist the push to enforce their religion on everybody. No matter what they say Iran and Saudi do not have religious freedom for all.
And evolution happens all the time. Look at the latest one--swine flu. When the World Health talks about the threat of if mutating they really mean it could evolve into something more virulent. Evolution is just a mutation that gives a species a better or more efficient way of doing something, It's just the smaller and faster the life cycle the faster the changes, without evolution brought about by selective breeding every domesticated animal and plant wouldn't exist.

[farmer giles]

Originally Posted by Richard Bell

...because humans didn't evolve from monkeys, no more than the domestic housecat evolved from lions or tigers.

Modern primates (including homo sapiens) branched off from a common ancestor about six million years ago. Since that time. we have evolved along our own paths. That's why there are lemurs, monkeys, apes, and homo sapiens today. Our species have evolved and adapted along the way to become what we are today, whether you are a human being, gorilla, or howler monkey.

You can see it in other species as well. Felines branched off from a common ancestor in the distant past, giving rise to civets, lynx, tigers, lions, wildcats, jaguars, cougars, housecats, etc., all of which coexist in the modern world.

good post ,next time he says that to me i'll richard bell him