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Mickiel

<t>So God wanted an adversary in his creative plans for mankind, he wanted a push and pull experience for us all to experience. In Isaiah 54:16 " Behold I have created the Smith that blows coals in the fire, that brings forth an instrument for his work, and I have created the waster to destroy." Aga...

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<t>Again now notice further. Biblical evidence concerning God doing evil to a human in Job 42: 11, " And they comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him." Here again we see God doing evil, using it on humans. He does not commit evil himself but will use it on others. Because ...

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<t>Nothing the devil does is on his own , he is under God's power and authority. Evil cannot do anything outside of God's plans. Nothing can take God by surprise or sneak up on him. The. Devil cannot ruin God's will nor go against it. Evil is not an intruder in God's plan of life, it's a necessary i...

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<t>Many people just cannot understand the existence of evil and where it comes from. Religion certainly does not understand it , they think It came into being by a fallen angel named Lucifer , which is absurd. But that's they only way they understand it. No , the devil, who is not Lucifer, was creat...

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<t>spot;1527095 wrote: There's a useful word in English, "incarnate". In Greek it was Î˜Îµá½¸Ï‚ á¼ˆÎ½Î¸ÏÏ‰Ï€Î¿Ï•ÏŒÏÎ¿Ï‚, "God incarnate" - I mistakenly first interpreted it as God the Cannibal, the Greek being literally God (Theos) Person (Anthropo) Bearing (phoros) - I mistook the last bit for Ea...

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<t>And yet it is said that God and Christ can reside in the human heart or consciousness. I think that would be quite something for them to do that to a human. I think many humans who claim they are in them are lying or hoping that. Or are simply confused about it or deceiving themselves. To the act...

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<t>Mickiel;1527075 wrote: I understand why religion is feared by some, it takes some people over and changes them.. That is power and amazing control over the conscious mind. It's one reason I don't like religion. I believe in God with all my heart but I had to learn to separate that from...

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<t>rstrats;1527088 wrote: But maybe someone new visiting this topic may know of examples. In my view the " Heart of the earth " expression can mean the inner part of the ground or grave, just as we view our heart being inside the inner most part of our chest. . So it just means the ...

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<t>I understand why religion is feared by some, it takes some people over and changes them.. That is power and amazing control over the conscious mind. It's one reason I don't like religion. I believe in God with all my heart but I had to learn to separate that from religion, which is dif...

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The bibles predictions are being played out right on course, God is real.

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<t>Mickiel;1526964 wrote: I think belief in God is waning. Unfortunately. I would like to offer Julian Jaynes book " The origin of consciousness" , an excellent read. He was an inntellect and writes like one so it's a challenging read. One must be conscious of where God a...

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<r>spot;1526962 wrote: There is a balanced overview of the spectrum of opinion, from the dualism you've expressed to the eliminative materialism I've put forward, at <URL url="https://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/a/a_12/a_12_p/a_12_p_con/a_12_p_con.html"><LINK_TEXT text="https://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash...

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<t>spot;1526956 wrote: I think you will find there is a considerable literature disagreeing with that position. You make your point as a statement of fact. I would be quite happy to offer instances differing from it. Offer them, let's have them. Consciousness was created ...

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<t>spot;1526948 wrote: What puzzles me is that you require this causation to be conscious and aware. I have no idea why you regard that as a necessity, still less why you think it should continue to be conscious and aware 14 billion years later. I don't remember you ever addressing that aspect, I'd ...

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<t>spot;1526930 wrote: Yay! Dutch incarnate! I think you must have found his threads to post such a good facsimile. The thread welcomes all views. In my view God is real because reality is real and nothing real created itself. It's too hard for something to invent itself. That is un...

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<t>I think your on topic and I agree with much of what you said. People have lived throughout history just repeating what they have learned and religion is just one of the things they have learned. We live our lives according to our dreams. We create stories and pass them down to each generation. Ea...

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<t>One of the more depressing things about God and Christ is not " Knowing"; not knowing where they are , if they even exist, why they keep hidden; not knowing what they think about you , why they have done things like they have. God knows that we don't know; he knows. So none of this is our fault ,...

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<t>Mickiel;1525277 wrote: Where God is , its a mystery, as God is a mystery. Believing God is real or not , hurts no one. We can live and die , our view of God has not hurt humanity ; humans have hurt humans , and often have used religion as an excuse to ravage and hurt each other. This is something...

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<t>Where God is , its a mystery, as God is a mystery. Believing God is real or not , hurts no one. We can live and die , our view of God has not hurt humanity ; humans have hurt humans , and often have used religion as an excuse to ravage and hurt each other. This is something God has obviously allo...

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<t>In my thoughts , from all theories I have examined , I accept most that humans are really spiritual beings, just now having to live in a physical world. In physical temporary bodies. There is far more to life than we know; this stuff now is not our intended future; no. It can't be, its not enough...

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<t>spot;1525205 wrote: So can a spirit be damaged just by a brain injury? A spirit presumably can use language but a brain injury can remove comprehension of language. We know the brain is damaged, we can watch the damage on the CAT scanner. Is the spirit incapable of using language as well? Could i...

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<t>spot;1525203 wrote: Could we agree then that you think some human decisions are taken by a person's spirit and other human decisions are taken by a person's brain? Is it apparent to an observer which part of the person makes a given decision? Is it apparent to the person involved? If e...

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<t>spot;1525201 wrote: Undoubtedly, though some might think emotions run at a similar level. So the presence of spirit is apparent by the enhanced reasoning and learning and showing emotion and displaying of talents in humans, rather then by the ability to reason or learn or show emotion ...

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<t>spot;1525184 wrote: I can certainly provide evidence for dogs reasoning and learning and showing emotion and displaying talents. I'm not anthropomorphising, these attributes can be clearly demonstrated. Would you like each of them or can we accept that the evidence exists? If the evide...

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<t>spot;1525152 wrote: Perhaps you could describe what difference would be apparent if a human had no spirit. What would be missing to an external observer. That would be quite something. Perhaps they would be like the first humans , if we subtract their ability to reason and learn....

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<t>spot;1525148 wrote: That's fine, that's helpful. So we have the cow, for instance. You would agree it is alive, it can eat, sit, turn left or right. It can chase someone across a field to defend its calf. Are these functions you would attribute in humans to conscious choice? Human and ...

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<t>spot;1525144 wrote: And yet if you put a human into a CAT scanner and let her listen to spoken language, or music, and to speak, and to do mental arithmetic or think of sunsets or poetry or pray or meditate, different regions of the brain light up consistently from one person to another. Does thi...

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<t>spot;1525143 wrote: That's very helpful. Do any of these have consciousness, or the spirit, like having a "Ghost" inside, which is unique and a gift of life from God? A cow, rat snake spider parasitic intestinal tapeworm? <br/...

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<t>spot;1525129 wrote: That certainly answers a couple of questions about divine attributes then. We have a tick for Omnipotent and Eternal. John Milton mentioned how much is still to be discovered. Humanity, he says, is Deep vers'd in books, and shallow in himself,...

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<t>spot;1525112 wrote: For clarification, where you mention "this God" as a counter to "the belief that all things created itself from nothing , which is also a belief", are you suggesting that - let me pick an identification, "The God of Creation" - is identical with "this God" of the present which...

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<t>spot;1525112 wrote: For clarification, where you mention "this God" as a counter to "the belief that all things created itself from nothing , which is also a belief", are you suggesting that - let me pick an identification, "The God of Creation" - is identical with "this God" of the present which...

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<t>spot;1524986 wrote: We can certainly try to work out a reasonable answer. Can we have a description of God and Christ to narrow the field? If we start with Christ as he is today? This is the easier of the two because we definitely know where the person crucified in Jerusalem...

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<t>The way some Christians interpret things in the bible is often either prejudiced or in serious error. It is an error itself to even think they speak for what is right or wrong, they do not. They made themselves judges of law. They do not represent God or his views. They just like to think they do...

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<t>Pahu;1346204 wrote: Eighteen Factors Disproving Evolution Evolution flunks the science test Irreducible complexityâ€”â€” Biochemists and microbiologists have discovered that the various components of every living creature in the world are ...

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<t>Where is Christ ? Well in my view he is in a place we call the heavens: up there somewhere. Christ was an alien, but I believe he actually visited the earth once or possibly more in spirit form ; I think the recorded " Jesus" was Christ. I think they exist in another dimension outside of our rang...

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<t>spot;1525070 wrote: I have no problem with spiritual manifestations. On the other hand I would find difficulty in interpreting the existence of a spiritual manifestation independent of the experience of a spiritual manifestation. If someone is experiencing a spiritual manifestation the...

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<t>spot;1525054 wrote: I'm entirely in agreement, I have no difficulty at all in agreeing that both words are meaningful and that they relate to human experience. I'm keen to discover whether your understanding includes any physical manifestation of either of them and if so when and where. That was ...

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<t>chocoholic;1525029 wrote: Quite by coincidence today in a bundle of ebooks sent to me by a friend was a book by Matthew Walker "Why We Sleep". I can't see any way of attaching it here but if you are interested in having a copy I could send it by email, let me know if you want it. (Sorr...

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<t>Of course when we discuss God and Christ , the discussion is somewhat mute if you don't believe they exist. History has to be believed , or it remains a mystery. Many people believe in God . and I know why . it can be a very moving experience. It is the most sensational knowledge I have obtained....

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<t>spot;1524986 wrote: We can certainly try to work out a reasonable answer. Can we have a description of God and Christ to narrow the field? If we start with Christ as he is today? This is the easier of the two because we definitely know where the person crucified in Jerusalem...

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Well their certainly not on earth, or why would they have to return? I don't even think God has ever been to earth. I think he has sent one or two of his spirits here before, because he has seven spirits. But where is here?

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T h e genius of ingredient.

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<t>Annecole;1522472 wrote: It actually depends on your believe on God. I think it does depend on belief , does involve belief. But when you consider God based on other Things like awareness it's still dramatic. If you base it on curiosity it remains relevant. One can base it on hist...

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Then we have "Causation": if we now have strong emergence, well the problem is what caused that? At the end of the day what jumps have we made? Do we jump over biology? Micro-physics? What over explanation will we have?

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<t>Mickiel;1522632 wrote: Trees communicate with each other as well. A strong case for consciousness can be made all over nature and I admit to that, it cannot be ignored. But can it be explained? Those trees were here before man, they emerged first but didn't speak first. A lot of ...

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<t>FourPart;1522565 wrote: Perhaps that's just it. Conciousness is preprogrammed as part of the existence of life, and as all life has a common ancestor there is no reason to believe that all life doesn't posess some degree of conciousness. After all, it has been proven that plants communicate with ...

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Ted;1522540 wrote: Why do orcas support dying whals in the death an dying process by staying with them until They have died The same with elephants.

Preprogrammed life to its full wonder.

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<t>Mickiel;1522496 wrote: I really don't know how to define consciousness. Awareness is a common accepted answer that I agree with. I think consciousness is life with purpose. Its the uncanny miracle of thought. God is a conscious being. In him is life and that is the gift he gave h...

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<t>FourPart;1522391 wrote: There is no doubt that many animals communicate within their species, and even more so within their same groups. Many of those not for personal gain, but for the overall good of the community. Killer Whales teach their young how to hunt. Chimps plan attacks on neighbouring...

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AnneBoleyn;1522400 wrote: [QUOTE=Mickiel;1522308]

Here you go again, insulting the folks who don't agree with you. Thought you said you've changed.

nothing wrong with a disagrrrment

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