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Mickiel

<t>So understand that God is not in a hurry to reveal himself to us, neither me or you need worry about not understanding him. Our time will come, he will see to that. God is withdrawn from humanity, NOT because we are a bunch of filthy sinners and he is so righteous, that he can't stand his own chi...

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<t>In Exodus 33:20, is where God told a human that we cannot see him and Live, for those of you who want to examine that further. Whatever the experience of seeing God is, it would just be too much for us to experience. God allowed Moses to see his Back, but not his face. Really God just allowed Mos...

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<t>Even trying to comprehend that God exist in the first place is tuff, so in trying to understand his personality, is just a very comprehensive thing to do. God " Is", or he exist, and he is what he is, or he exist because he exist, and I don't think we will ever know more than that about his exist...

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<t>Humanity was placed into reality in the condition we are in, largely because thats what intrest God. Our environment was something we were born into. Notice Isaiah 43:25;" I, even I, am the one who wipes out your sins " For my Own Intrest." Gods intrest is the key to our existence, and the reason...

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<t>So this experience we now know as life, is something that God requires for us to go through, while we are on "This Earth, or in This Womb." The earth is Gods choice of " A Womb" for the birth of humanity. Why he didnot just create all of us instantly, I just do not Know. Why we all must suffer, I...

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<t>The creation of humanity is something more of a unique " Birth Plan", its really God deciding to have his own " Children." God created perhaps untold billions of Angels AND other creations, its just no telling what other beings God has created. But at some point, for some reason, he wanted to hav...

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<t>The common thought in religion is that there exist a battle between good and evil, which basically means satan and God, for the souls of humanity. This is a baseless assumption, there is no battle between satan and God, if there was a battle, God surely is getting the tar kicked out of him by the...

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<t>In Matthews 13:24-30 is the parable of the " Wheat and the Tares", which at its root, explains something God is doing to humanity. Allowing the " Good Seed to grow right along the " Wicked weed", and not try to seperate them. Both ways of Life must grow in the same place, mixed into a conglomerat...

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<t>There is enough wrong with humanity to assume that we are disabled and limited in what our view of our own " Morals as a Whole" has resulted in our history. I mean some of us are trying to understand, given what we know, but its what we don't know that really handicaps us. I am reminde...

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<t>The Bible has shifted many gears in my mind. Most notably my view on Good and Evil. A careful study of the events in Eden, reveals that God created both the serpent ( Or the devil) and Evil, ( Or the knowledge of Evil). Religion has assummed that evil or the devil created itself, which gives the ...

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<t>Notice Gen.3:6;" When the Woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was a delight to the eyes, AND that the tree ( of the Knowledge of Good AND Evil) was desirable to " Make one Wise", she took from it and ate, and gave it to her man. This is the beginning of ALL the Knowle...

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<t>the serpent used a very appealing form of " The Truth" on Adam and Eve. He didnot lie to them, and to this day, the serpent is still using appealing and seductive things that seem to be true to humanity. Religion is the serpents " Deceptive Apple" offered to humanity, and the appealing fruit is b...

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<t>When God planted the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, he was establishing both ways of life and the beginning of both forms of knowledge production, to grow in the same tree, or same environment on earth. That was a very significant moment in human history, and it has been totally misunder...

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<t>The greatest opening to receiving understanding from God is to seperate yourself from the knowledge of men. If you depend on the knowledge of men, that will be your reward, that is what you will settle on. That is what created the traditional views of God, and humanity has been caught up in the g...

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<t>As the Christians preach and teach the ultimate doom of much of humanity, there is another message in the bible that premates their message of hell fire. I used to wonder why God would frame Salvation as " A choice thing", or being saved as a result of the human individual responsibility, because...

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<t>Jesus has the Keys of death and hades, Rev.1:8, so those things cannot stop his Salvation. He has the Power to subject all humans to himself, Phil.3:21, so stubborn stupid wrong free will choices of sinful unbelieving humanity cannot stop him from changing a human against their will. They who hav...

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<t>In 1 Tim.2:6, Jesus is said to have given himself as a " Ransom for ALL". As I divorce myself from all doctrines that look to limit his reach to only a few, the bible has shifted many gears in my belief. I started thinking to myself;" Is God really going to Save everyone, is that how God really i...

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<t>Again Jesus in John 12:32;" And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men to Myself." Well why Jesus, why draw all humans to you? To condemn them if they do not believe? Well thats what Christianity seems to think, that people have the free will to choose where they will spend eterni...

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<t>The bible is misunderstood and highly interpited to be a book of " Blessings and Curses", which gives God the reputation of responding and reacting as if he is " Human." The human standard of blessings and curses is totally unmerciful. You can look at and examine Christianity and see this in its ...

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<t>Humans are either "overly Spiritual", or abusively negative about their future with God, and these two extremes tend to dominate human belief and behavior, with varying degrees inbetween. The Overly Spiritual tendency in believers has heaped untold damage upon the physce of sinners who are, or ha...

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<t>To base Salvation on the Knowledge or behavior of man is really survival instinct, we want to survive, and we take hold of the bible in hope of a better survival, you know, a better outcome than what we can see. Salvation is based on Gods knowledge, Gods instinct, Gods plans and Gods behavior. On...

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<t>Gods ways cannot be explained by men, who really insult his integrity by limiting aspects of their puny belief. God is involved with his own self goals, and his goals are just as big as him. God is Love, meaning all his ways can be defined by a real study of what Love is. Love is unconditional gi...

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<t>Adam was created from the " Womb of the earth", Eve was created from Adams womb, and all of humanity came from Eves womb. All a recycling, all new births, all reflective of humanitys future to be reborn again. All a picture of Gods plan and Gods mind. Each birth with a future of another birth, mu...

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<t>In John 8:42, again Jesus speaking;" If God were your Father, you would Love me; For I proceeded forth and came from God." This gives definte signs of a " Birth", but yet one long ago. Jesus came from inside of God, he really is Gods Son, and only Begotten Son, Begotten surely denotes a Birth of ...

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<t>One of the favorite things that God enjoys doing, is Loving and caring for his creations. He wouldnot harm his creations, but with humanity, that is not so. We are different in Gods plans. We are destined to bo Gods " Own offspring", his very own children, not his creations. This means our lives ...

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<t>God so loved us all that he GAVE his only son to prepare the way for us. Gave it, he's not selling it as if we need to qualify for it, its a freely done deal. But our freedom in Salvation Cost Christ his Life. It is NOT being charged to us, which is what many have been led to believe about God. T...

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<t>In John 6:51;" I am the living bread that came down from heaven; If anyone eats of this bread, he shall live forever. And the bread also which I shall GIVE for the life of the world is my flesh." Listen, Jesus gave his Life FOR the Life of the whole world. This thing is for all of us, given freel...

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<t>In order to understand God you must divorce yourself from traditional christianity, that is a barrier to the truth. You have to turn away from every person that you think you need to teach you, and throw away all the books on God that you have except the bible. Don't depend on any church, any per...

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<t>It would be a shame if Americans would be the ones to destroy America. It would be so sad if it was a family member who brought pain into the family. It would be troublesome if it was an employee who wrecked the job and caused the business trouble. In romance it would be terrible if the real trou...

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<t>Ask yourself a question. If you had the power to save all of humanity, would you do it? I know I have jumped on Christianity quite a bit, I have my reasons for doing so, since they jump on unbelievers so much, but that aside, what Christian wouldnot redeem all of Mankind if they had the power to ...

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<t>We don't really understand Gods Love, we barely understand human Love. Our error in our perception of God is that we look at our Love, our patience, our goodness, our kindness, our gentleness, our grace and our mercy, and we think Gods ways are like ours. That is a very, very serious error in try...

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<t>I am very proud to have been created by God and I trust in him. I trust his Heart, he is not human and given to human tendency to condemn people who do not accept him. God is not in some battle with evil, as if he will only save those who are good. This egnigmatic being is super intelligent, supe...

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<t>I am quite thrilled with what I have found in the bible, I couldcareless what christians think. I care about what God thinks, and how God is and what his word says to me. The word of God is his voice, I follow it, like a sheep would follow a shepard. In Amos 3:3;" Do two people walk together unle...

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<t>I find it contridiction that this world is growing increasingly godless and in moral decline and yet the believers in God are trying to present to this world, a gospel of selective choice and free will, or face an eternity of pain and suffering that must be a new era in the art of eternal torture...

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<t>In Isaiah 43:19 God speaks something impressive; " Behold, I will do something New, now it will spring forth. Will you be aware of it?" This is something about God that I think is both impressive, and yet mysterious, he can do something totally new to the human experience, and yet do it in a mann...

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<t>I cannot understand, for the life of me, why some who have read the bible, actually believe that Jesus was beaten to death, so that so many unbelieving humans will conversely be beaten for all of eternity in hell, and they call his death a victory? I have personally experienced almost unbearable ...

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<t>Based on Gods mind, I then judge the bible based on God, how he thinks, how he must be himself. And keep in mind the Fruits of the Spirit, which are the ways and means of Gods own Mind as expressed in Galations 5:22-23. Would it be Kind or Good of God to condemn to hell punishment forever, whole ...

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<t>The saddest thing I have discovered in this world of belief and unbelief in God, is that concerned humans have been led to believe that God based Salvation on human response, rather than his own Mind. Because of belief in free will, many concerned believers think that God issued Salvation out, an...

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<t>I confronted the bible with a preconceived notion of Salvation which I was taught in my youth by different churchs, which I think was the most misguided thing I have ever experienced. I think a person interested in God should read the Bible for themselves, and get into it on your own. The only wa...

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<t>In my studies of the Bible, the ultimate future of humanity is based on God, not how humans live and believe. I think humans will be rewarded and punished according to how they have lived by God, but I believe those punished will be corrected in a manner that is benefical to them and to God. Not ...

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<t>I want to go into the true nature of God, which in effect, reveals the true scope of Salvation. Jesus came to do Gods will, not his own, so the Father God is the True source of Salvation. God is serious about the things he has promised, and they will get done. Belief or unbelief in God has absolu...

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<t>YZGI;855182 wrote: Another thing Ted, I have to admit that I like Mickiel's approach to the divine. It's a great way to percieve God. Well the bible has shifted many gears in my mind , and most of the thrust of this change of direction, has moved me away from the trad...

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<t>Ted;853175 wrote: Mickiel:-6 The history of the Bible is very long and complicated. I could go into that at great length. However to give a short answer, the Bible was not dictated by God. The Bible is man's reaction to his experiences of the Divine. The prophets believed that God was ...

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<t>Ted;852271 wrote: Mickiel:-6 I must disagree that these are the very words of God. They are the very earthly words of the writers. Shalom Ted:-6 Well I read it as God speaking;Hebrews 8:8 " Behold the days are comming, " Says the Lord"...

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<t>The Bible continues to shift gears in my belief, because I have learned to listen to it, and not to men. In Hebrews 8:11-12;" And they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen, and everyone his brother, saying Know the Lord, For they ALL shall know me, from the least to the greatest of them. F...

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<t>I have seen Christians time and time again trying to prove that Salvation is only for those who " Accept God", believe in him and obey him. I wonder to myself what bible are they reading, or how are they interpiting God. In Isaiah 65:1 listen to what God himself has said, not those who believe in...

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<t>In Lamentations 3:22 is the view of God that I get from the bible. It says that Gods Loving Kindness never ceases, it never stops, that his compassions NEVER fail. I think this is how God really is, and the bible has shifted my belief in that area. So I don't worry about people who do not believe...

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<t>I think I have made it obvious by now that I believe in the bible, which is really a book about Salvation and creation. The conception of the bible is stunning to me, how it was conceived is simply magical. I hold a certain foundness for writing, but just how the bible was written impresses me. I...

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<t>One thing I have Learned about the Salvation offered in the Bible, is that it is how God choose to bring humanity into existance through weakness and suffering, which later will develop into strength and no more suffering. You just have to learn what you are exposed to, and why, if you are able t...

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<t>[QUOTE=BHughesNC;848419]So you are saying God would let Jesus go through such punishment and torture as He suffered when it was His plan to save everyone anyway. I cannot believe that He would allow His Son to suffer all this for mere creations. Jesus willing suffered these things to fulfill His ...

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