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Mickiel

<t>BHughesNC;847916 wrote: God is certainly all those attributes that you mentioned above and more...He is just. Why would He make a covenant with us, even though He fulfilled the covenant with the death of Jesus? If His intent was to save all why make it so ambiguous, why did He not just say that i...

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<t>The mentality of God toward sin is complettely misunderstood, and some believers are literally obsessed with the presence of sin in the world. They seem to think God has lost control of it, or conversely they believe in things which " Actually makes room for the victory of sin", and they make a b...

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<t>As I consider God, his vast yet unseen pressence, the more I look into him, the more I see that the believers in him, are not really " Like Him." We are shortsighted and vauge on our view of him. God is actually described in 1 Corinth. 13 and Galations 5:22-23, these are actual descriptions of Go...

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<t>Ted;846512 wrote: Mickiel:-6 Marcus Borg and other theologians have come to the conclusion that what really counts is that we live in a developing, transforming relationship with God. Faith is not about right belief but about trust in God. I completely agree with your commen...

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<t>[QUOTE=BHughesNC; If you do not believe this account then my bible tells me you are not one of His! Quote Well I am not one of his, and have never claimed to be as such. And if I am correct, then the next logical Christian reasoning that I actually ha...

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<t>As I examine God and the Bible, I see a " Motive" in Gods desires, which is not common to see. In 1 Tim.2:3-4, It is both Good and " Acceptable" to God for him to Desire for all humans to be saved and to come to the Knowledge of the Truth. I then see absolutely nothing wrong with me doing the sam...

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<t>There exist a certain reality in life that we all just have to face sooner or later. That being what is for us, and what is not. Certain religions are for certain people. Certain foods are for certain people. Some have reached a stage where they can eat anything, having no predjudice. Some have r...

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<t>Jester;844258 wrote: But, when I come across things like what you posted that I know are a wrong use of the scripture, and you are seemingly asking what others think by posting it in a forum for discussion, that its fair game to then say on of what I know about. No offense ...

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<t>rjwould;843689 wrote: Well jester thinks you need more from jester. But jester thinks gods reside within him at all times and anyone who disagrees with him is....whatever.... I found during my Christian daze that the confusion I was experiencing was due to me trying to force feed somet...

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<t>rjwould;843569 wrote: Mickiel, I think you are one of the most saintliest people I have ever come across. I know I haven't heard you sneeze, but God Bless you anyway. Well thank you rjwould, but I assure, I am no Saint. No I am just a sinner in need of Sal...

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<t>Jester;843329 wrote: Good, then ask of God to be in your head, ask for the Mind of Christ! I am not against your need to advise and instruct me, its just that I already have a Spirit that does that for me. That need is filled already, that job already taken. I am not ...

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I'm okay with what God is doing with my mind, and hold no need to rush what I cannot. I just don't let humans in my head.

Peace.

Mickiel

<t>Jester;843187 wrote: Please list all the verses you can find where 'Goats' are referred to as 'Demons'. More to come. I couldnot find any, I concede the point, I was wrong about Goats representing demons. But I speculate that they do, I suspect it to be tru...

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<t>Ted;842462 wrote: A clear reading of Matt. 25 shows that, yes God will divide humanity into the sheep and the goats. Clearly the sheep are those who fed the hungry etc. To add anything else is to add to the scriptures. Shalom Ted:-6 W...

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<t>BHughesNC;841928 wrote: I do not find Christians that try to limit God's Salvation. It is yours as well as mine. True Christians follow the teachings of Christ which is to bring others to a saving knowledge of the gift that He (God) provided for those who chose to accept it! I say look, see what ...

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<t>Jester;841904 wrote: The unsaved will be cast into hell, for all eternity, in the knowledge that they are seperated from God, and yes, everyone of them will know that God is God and each of them will have confessed it and bowed to him tio recieve their just rewards. So, in essence you ...

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<t>Jester;841878 wrote: You did not answer my questions, its obvious that even from your misguided belief in salvation for all, Im asking you what your going to do with yours? Will this knowledge change your life? Will it change how you live? Knowledge is onl...

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<t>A simular thing that you have experienced happen to this man named Moses and Abraham. God promised them both that their desendants will inherit things also, one of which was Salvation. He told Abraham that ALL the remnants of his seed will be blessed, Gen.22:18. Now I am sure many have and will r...

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<t>Ted;841397 wrote: Mickiel:-6 I am not an exclusivist in any way. No, I'm not trying to exclude anyone. Shalom Ted Well I have consider the many forms and mannerisms that the desire to exclude people from salvation can rear its ugly hea...

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<t>Ted;841389 wrote: Mickiel:-6 I must disagree with your comment about the "world" meaning unbelievers. The Greek NT uses the term "kosmos" in John 3:16. According to the Greek English Lexicon by Liddell and Scott kosmos=world or universe. Another lexicon lists it as the material univers...

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<t>The shifting of gears from seeing most of humanity suffering in some eternal pain amphlifier to seeing the actual glorious Grace of God, is really a journey from misery to Love, as you get closer to seeing how God really is. As I read how Jesus was sent by his Father to be the Savior of the World...

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<t>Well I believe this is what the bible is saying, not really me. I mean thats what I am reading, Salvation is a God thing, not a human thing. In 1 Timothy 1:15, and I trust this scripture;"It is a trustworthy statement deserving full acceptance, that Jesus came into this world to save sinners." No...

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<t>Jester;840900 wrote: Mikeil I dont think your too far off actually and as you study more I think if you use the same tenacity your shwoign now you'll understand more and more, keep in mind your thougline is slightly out of balnce right now, keep reading, that will fix it. ....

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<t>Jester;840486 wrote: You havnt discussed the roleof the Holy Spirirt in mans salvation, nor how God offers salvation to all, nor the basic ways in which salvation is presented through creation and the revealed word of God. Well you can discuss those things, I'll read ...

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<t>Jester;840467 wrote: I think your confusing the eternal state of man with salvation, true man was created to spend all eternity (time as we know it) with God, and its true as you say that God is absoluterly in control of that time and all things that course through it and are made up of it, but t...

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<t>spot;840466 wrote: It makes you wonder why He bothered creating anyone. No free will for anyone, ever? I may win on the roundabout, then I'll lose on the swings. in or out there is never a doubt just who's pulling the strings. Why would He want to play with puppets? What value is there in forced ...

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<t>Jester;840457 wrote: Mickiel, Please define the term 'salvation' as your using it. Salvation is the intent of God for humanitys future, the very reason we were created. God created humans to Live, to have life, and to be with him forever, and I believe that is just wh...

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<t>Jester;840454 wrote: Mickiel, Just to clarify then you are saying that in your journey through the scriptures to date, you have determined that salvation is rendered to everyone equally, and it matters not whether one recieves it or rejects it salvation is sure to each person ever born...

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<t>spot;840449 wrote: Then He's evil and I'm right to rebel against him. Anything omnipotent is by definition evil. If your view of God is of an omnipotent being then you're worshipping the devil in disguise. Shake it off while you still can. Anything absolutely capable of doing good who refuses to ...

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<t>spot;840441 wrote: So why would a being like God, who is wise enough to know that humans are foolish enough to choose not to believe in him, elect to make Salvation a human choice thing?Quote Again, I have never stated that Salvation was a choice thing. I have stated that it will be me...

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<t>spot;840434 wrote: This is a distinction between attempt to and succeed in, then. I can unsuccessfully refuse salvation, you tell me. That rather fails in my purpose, don't you think? The whole point of refusing Salvation is to point out to God what a dreadful and complete hash He's made of Creat...

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<t>spot;840429 wrote: You're kidding me - it's the core of your opening post! "if this being has a will of none perishing, I don't see how his will cannot be done"! What does that mean except nobody is capable of avoiding salvation? How about this bit later on? "the only troubling part ab...

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<t>[QUOTE=spot;840420]There are some quarrelsome factions within Christianity who raise their eyebrows if they feel you're picking and choosing just those passages which you like while rejecting those you don't. You're telling me I have absolutely no way to refuse Salvation and judge God?...

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<t>[QUOTE=spot; None of this fits well with the Salvation of all. Perhaps we need a new bible for this new religion you're offering. I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion in the slightest, I just don't think the bible's a very good place to go for confirmation. QUOTE] <...

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<t>spot;840393 wrote: Finally, an evangelist who quotes the texts he makes reference to. It's so much easier to follow the lines of thought. Congratulations. Where do you get "he's going to save all of humanity" from, bible-wise? I am not an evangelist, I am n...

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<t>along-for-the-ride;840391 wrote: Sometimes, too much emphasis is put on the destination (salvation), and not enough is put on the journey (life). How are we living our lives while we are here on earth? Just my opinion. Well I can understand tha...

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<t>BHughesNC;840202 wrote: God is a loving God! Most certainly it is His will that ALL would come to Salvation. The bible is full of God's blessing on mankind and His expression of love for them. The only troubling part about this post is that God created us with a will of our own, and t...

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<r>JAB;840002 wrote: Enjoy your search Mickiel. A journey through the Bible is both a perplexing and glorious one. <E>:)</E> Well yes indeed it is, and I am beginning to see that my search shouldnot be limited. I personally am interested in Salvation, in how God thinks a...

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<t>I have been driving cars for some time in my life, and generally avoided the vehicles that you have to shift the gears yourself. Prefering rather those that automatically shift the gears for you, the traditional way of driving. I used to use this very same approach towards the bible, allowing tra...

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