Extradition to Equatorial Guinea

Originally Posted by spot

For the States? Whatever suits your local conditions, far be it from me to interfere in your internal arrangements. To whatever extent my proposal has merit I'm sure it could be adapted.

My opposition to capital punishment is universal and based on the irreversible nature of the punishment, given the existence of guilty verdicts and subsequent executions against defendants who were subsequently shown beyond reasonable doubt to have been convicted on mistaken evidence. Doctor Crippen springs to mind.

I am willing to accept mulitple appeals on a murder case to make sure. With those in question life in prison is fine with me, but Im talking in a 4x6x6 cage, three meals in the cage a day, die of natural causes. If the fella opts for an early out I'd oblige a hanging any time.

I dont say this lightly, given my quick mind for retaliation Im as likely to fall under a murder charge as a common criminal so Im spelling out what I'd expect given the same charge leveled against me.

[gmc]

Originally Posted by Jester

I fully agree with you it is wrong and unjust, my point is that the whole thing was done outside the law, that some get punished and some dont is also outside the law. There is no justice period.

But thats the nature of mercenary companies. I hadn't even ventured a thought into the ligitimacy of the country in question.

GMC as usual we agree God knows how we keep doing that when we come from opposing ideologies.

I suspect we would agree a lot in principle and really disagree a lot on the means. We both live in liberal democracies so there is not that much difference.

Originally Posted by gmc

I suspect we would agree a lot in principle and really disagree a lot on the means. We both live in liberal democracies so there is not that much difference.

Ah I'd think we'dmake good neighbors anyway!

[spot]

Simon Mann appears to have started naming names, particularly the otherwise pointless child of that Thatcher woman.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7320790.stm

He told a British television station recently that the plot did exist, but he was not the driving force behind it. The ex-SAS officer also alleged Sir Mark Thatcher was "part of the team".

In the past, Sir Mark has always claimed he was an unwitting conspirator and that as far as he knew, he was helping finance an air ambulance business in West Africa.

Well he would say that, wouldn't he.

[spot]

Now that the trial's over and a 34 year sentence passed, one hopes an intergovernmental agreement can be reached for Mr Mann to serve his sentence in a UK jail. Given that Mr Mann was on his way to Equatorial Guinea with the intention of murdering people I can't think many people would regard the 34 year term excessive. An exchange agreement to allow him to serve the sentence within reach of friends and family in the UK makes sense only if the agreement kept him in a high security jail where he would be less likely to abscond or be broken out by his adventurous one-time colleagues. Parole for the second half of his sentence might even be acceptable so long as he's considered genuinely penitent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7470762.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7493717.stm

One hopes Equatorial Guinea has issued an international arrest warrant for Sir Mark Thatcher, given all the new evidence that's come to hand.

One hopes that a part of any agreement with the UK for Mr Mann serving his sentence here would be a guarantee to extradite the plotters still at large if they came within UK jurisdiction.

[spot]

Last week, Ely Calil, the London-based oil trader named by Mann as the "cardinal of the plot", broke his silence. For four years he flatly denied any involvement, but on Tuesday he told the Daily Telegraph that he supported only "democratic change" in Equatorial Guinea, and had financed plans by Severo Moto, an exiled opponent of President Obiang, to return. "There was no coup plot," he said, and Sir Mark had "absolutely nothing" to do with it. Mann and his mercenaries were simply hired to protect Moto.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ns-866376.html

Ely Calil is a lying liar. Simon Mann and his mercenaries were hired to commit murder in Equatorial Guinea.

Sir Mark, who has a considerable fortune from various business deals, also banks in the Channel Islands. But if he is seeking to move from his present base, a heavily fortified mansion in southern Spain, it is not to be nearer his money. Though he is safe from Equatorial Guinea's attempts to extradite him, he is said to fear being spirited away illegally, and believes a kidnap squad would be more conspicuous in Guernsey. However, his choice of bolt-holes is limited since his criminal conviction in South Africa. The US will not have him, nor will Monaco or Switzerland – so this small island seems his best bet.

Sir Mark Thatcher is a lying liar too.

Neither of them should be anywhere other than Equatorial Guinea where their lies can be tested in court. Besides, state-sponsored kidnap squads were legitimized when Adolf Eichmann was snatched in 1960 and Mordechai Vanunu in 1986, weren't they?

There's a good background article on how the proposed coup appeared from the fringes at http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...er-861990.html

[spot]

A little follow-up from "Andalucia’s Fortnightly News Publication, The Olive Press" on the subject of that lying liar Sir Mark Thatcher:

The son of former UK PM Margaret Thatcher rarely leaves his £3million bolthole in exclusive El Madronal, which has round-the-clock security. He has installed a series of high-tech security systems in the home, that is owned by a former school friend Stephen Humberstone.

But now his days are numbered after Humberstone ordered him to leave the home he has rented since 2005 over unpaid bills. Claiming he is three months in arrears to the tune of over 20,000 euros, Mr. Humberstone this week reportedly plans to serve court papers on him via the San Pedro courts.

“I want him off my property as soon as possible. If you see him, punch him in the face for me" Mr Humberstone, a London-based developer, said. “I have absolutely no idea why a man as wealthy as him, who can still drive a Porsche, cannot pay his rent. All I can think is that he has no money. After talking to Mark I get the feeling he is receiving an allowance from his elderly mother".

[...] Guinea will launch prosecution proceedings against Sir Mark this week. Its attorney general claims Sir Mark supplied aircraft as well as cash. “We will use all legal means to bring Mark Thatcher to face trial,” he said. Alarmingly for Thatcher there are an estimated 120 international Mafia gangs operating on the Costa del Sol, each capable of undertaking kidnap plots.

http://www.theolivepress.es/2008/07/...verthrow-plot/

[spot]

I missed whatever "British Weekly" this started in, here's the account I saw:

In an interview on Sunday Nguema told a British weekly that if Britain arrested Sir Mark Thatcher and Ely Calil, Mann could be sent back to a British jail. He also said that Mann's sentence could be reduced if he continues to "collaborate" with Equatorial Guinea authorities. "I'll tell you what it will take for him to be allowed to leave my country," said Nguema. "If the British police arrest the people we say were also involved – Ely Calil, Mark Thatcher and others – and bring them to court then maybe we will transfer Simon to an English jail so he can be close to his family.”

[...] Nguema said that since Mann’s incarceration in Black Beach prison in the country’s capital of Malabo, British police had visited Equatorial Guinea three times gathering evidence and Mann had "collaborated brilliantly" with them. "Simon Mann has collaborated with our government and the British police and if he continues to behave so well, then yes, we will reduce his sentence," the president said. Police in London confirmed visits to Equatorial Guinea, the paper said.
He also claimed that Calil had made "overtures" to Equatorial Guinea in the past month with "a view to reaching some kind of understanding", adding: "We are not sure yet exactly what he wants".

http://www.zimonline.co.za/Article.aspx?ArticleId=3825

That's a sackful of ferrets all wriggling, I've no idea what's behind it. "British police had visited Equatorial Guinea three times gathering evidence"? That's extraordinary.

[K.Snyder]

I have a huge problem with a 100% vote to "...have their hides nailed to the wall" yet "More than 60 men arrested with him - most of them South African citizens of Angolan origin - were released in 2005 after serving a year's sentence in Zimbabwe."...http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6918833.stm

A years punishment for others involved and people want to "...have their hides nailed to the wall"?...Come on here people something isn't right...

For Christs sake I can hear those people shouting in the courtrooms with their fists raised clinched in the air...

I need to read more about this story but as for now I'm off to bed...

Good night!

[spot]

There's the principals - the ones who hoped to form the new government;

There's the management team set up to achieve their objective;

There's the financiers investing in the project;

There's the foreign investors hoping to get better contract terms from a new government in exchange for facilitating the coup;

There's the officers who've been there and done that and know how;

and then, unlike all of those murderers, there are the 60 foot-solder recruits who served a year's sentence in Zimbabwe, whose hides didn't need nailing to the wall but whose wrists needed slapping.