New Gun laws for US ?

[spot]

Originally Posted by hoppy

Every time the lieing liberal left gains power, they push for gun control. They are used to killing helpless babies. They want us all helpless so they can more easily control us.

So what aspect of the bill do you dislike, and why?

[hoppy]

Originally Posted by spot

So what aspect of the bill do you dislike, and why?

Cost. Gun control costs to administer. Government will get that back through fees for permits. Eventually government will raise the fees, require a permit for each gun, maybe require them to be renewed each year.
Government can then use any excuse to confiscate one's arms any time. Maybe your government is more trustworthy. Ours isn't.
I used to be a collector. Often had 50-100 firearms on the place at one time. From time to time I would sell off some, always to dealers so everything was legit and documented. I've bought guns from guys in bars, at my workplace and even at yard sales. I've enjoyed the freedom of those gone for good days. But, through donations to the NRA and JPFO, I'll still fight against more restrictions.

[Bruv]

Cost ?
Is that monetary, freedom, or lives ?

[hoppy]

Originally Posted by Bruv

Cost ?
Is that monetary, freedom, or lives ?

All this has been hashed over countless times before. All you anti-gun folks can nit pick everything I post on the subject all you want. In the end, my mind won't be changed one bit by anything you say and I don't care if I change your minds. Like I said before. I support my stand on the gun issues with cash donations, letters to politicians and phone calls. What do you do?

[spot]

Originally Posted by hoppy

All this has been hashed over countless times before. All you anti-gun folks can nit pick everything I post on the subject all you want. In the end, my mind won't be changed one bit by anything you say and I don't care if I change your minds. Like I said before. I support my stand on the gun issues with cash donations, letters to politicians and phone calls. What do you do?

But you'd still agree, presumably, with the statement that "gun violence in the United States is associated with the majority of homicides, over half the suicides, and two-thirds of non-fatal violent injuries"? Merely as a statement of fact?

[hoppy]

Originally Posted by spot

But you'd still agree, presumably, with the statement that "gun violence in the United States is associated with the majority of homicides, over half the suicides, and two-thirds of non-fatal violent injuries"? Merely as a statement of fact?

I believe I stated my opinion on gun control.

[spot]

Originally Posted by hoppy

I believe I stated my opinion on gun control.

Don't look to me for disagreement, I'm all in favor of Americans having as many guns of whatever capability they choose to own. I've no interest at all in disarming law-abiding civilian citizens within the Homeland. I've said before that concealed carrying should in many circumstances be an obligation, not just a right. The bill relates to licensing and you said you don't trust the government not to change the terms of the bill if it were passed, therefore you didn't want it passing because it would be the thin wedge worming its way into the current position.

Why are you so wary of commenting on the sentence I focused on from the bill - "gun violence in the United States is associated with the majority of homicides, over half the suicides, and two-thirds of non-fatal violent injuries"? I merely wondered whether you felt it was a sustainable truth or whether it was an inaccurate fiction.

[hoppy]

Originally Posted by spot

Don't look to me for disagreement, I'm all in favor of Americans having as many guns of whatever capability they choose to own. I've no interest at all in disarming law-abiding civilian citizens within the Homeland. I've said before that concealed carrying should in many circumstances be an obligation, not just a right. The bill relates to licensing and you said you don't trust the government not to change the terms of the bill if it were passed, therefore you didn't want it passing because it would be the thin wedge worming its way into the current position.

Why are you so wary of commenting on the sentence I focused on from the bill - "gun violence in the United States is associated with the majority of homicides, over half the suicides, and two-thirds of non-fatal violent injuries"? I merely wondered whether you felt it was a sustainable truth or whether it was an inaccurate fiction.

One could accept your last statement in the same way one accepts the statement that certain races are responsible for the majority of homicides and violent crimes.

[spot]

Originally Posted by hoppy

One could accept your last statement in the same way one accepts the statement that certain races are responsible for the majority of homicides and violent crimes.

As truths?

[hoppy]

I believe my statements to be true.