Is the UK a country of whiners ?

[AnneBoleyn]

I refer you, td, to gmc's post on the same subject. We don't live in Ozzie & Harriet land anymore. My husband had a brutal father & 8 sisters. He would have done better without a father like that.

Like you, I don't get all this from that voice in my head which "sometimes" comes up with some great idea, just observation of the reality around me.

[tude dog]

The majority of single mothers are that way not from choice but circumstance - widows for instance I would just love to hear you telling the widow of a soldier that she is not an ideal parent for her son perhaps you one of those hold to that notion that a male brought up in a female environment is more likely to be homosexual. Perhaps the single mother has been abandoned by the father - as it happens I have three nephews and a niece whose father walked on them, their mother, like most of those in similar situations would probably agree the situation is not ideal, the same when single parenthood is the result of divorce but why is it somehow always the mother's fault? Bastards used to be the lowest of the low with no legal status sadly many still think bastards are not worthy people because their mother was not married rather than just seeing them as people.

A dog eat dog winner takes all society what does that teach?

Briotain has always been a nation of whiners with a strong sense of justice and fair play. That's why we had freedom of speech and the rule of law when other nations were wallowing in misery we were in revolt sorting out the bastards that thought they were better than everybody else and were born to rule. We just have to keep re-fighting the same old battles and dealing with the same old arguments, you're poor because you are lazy. Real freedom comes from not only whining but also being prepared to get annoyed and do something to get sort out injustices from those who find the notion the rich get richer and the poor get poorer intolerable and refuse to put up with it. It's the ones who turn round and ask who the F--- do you think you are talking to.

America is up **** creek when are you going to stop being apathetic and get annoyed at the bastards that out you there?

Oh criminy.

Where did I blame women for anything? I cast no blame because women tend to make less pay than men. I am not going to apologize that facts offend you, or of my view that overall boys need fathers.

Give up the homophobia angel. I was careful to mention a two parent home without mention of sex.

My Father was six when his dad died. Did grandma do a good job in spite of that? I think so, but then knowing what he tells of his life there was plenty of male guidance. That is why when my a-hole brother wife divorced him and he all but abounded his children I always made a point to be there for them.

[tude dog]

I refer you, td, to gmc's post on the same subject. We don't live in Ozzie & Harriet land anymore. My husband had a brutal father & 8 sisters. He would have done better without a father like that.

Like you, I don't get all this from that voice in my head which "sometimes" comes up with some great idea, just observation of the reality around me.

Even as a child, I always though of Ozzie an Harriet was bizarre. One thing, Ozzie never had a job, never went to work, not ideal. I look back at my dad, he worked, in that respect, a good role model.

[AnneBoleyn]

I had a fabulous dad! Ideally speaking, I absolutely agree with you td, but I don't have enough information about every fatherless home. My dad's dad died when he was 8, leaving his mother with 4 kids during the Depression. My husband died, leaving me with our son. His rotten dad's dad died when he was young. My brother-in-law's dad was a drunk & left his mother with 3 kids & she rented herself out to men.

I had the most wonderful dad & was lucky to have him until I was 30. A friend's dad is still alive at 100! We could all tell stories till we turn blue I guess.

[gmc]

Who are ozzie and harriet?

Posted by tude dog

Where did I blame women for anything? I cast no blame because women tend to make less pay than men. I am not going to apologize that facts offend you, or of my view that overall boys need fathers.

You did.

A great problem are single parent households. They tend to be lower income, especially if headed by a woman. Single women are not ideal for raising sons.

or so I took your meaning, Context is everything as they say, your point is clearer now.

It used to be a much mooted theory that too much female influence in the upbringing was a cause of homosexuality hence my response to your comment about it not being ideal for a woman to raise sons.

[AnneBoleyn]

Ozzie & Harriet Nelson had a TV show in the 1950's. That was when we all knew our places in society & thought we were happy about it. They had 2 sons, in real life & on the show, named David & Ricky. Rick Nelson became a "rock singer" & famous drug user.

[AnneBoleyn]

Even as a child, I always though of Ozzie an Harriet was bizarre. One thing, Ozzie never had a job, never went to work, not ideal. I look back at my dad, he worked, in that respect, a good role model.

I thought his job was bothering Harriet.

[tude dog]

Who are ozzie and harriet?

The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet

A show often referred to when one with nothing better to say, uses as an example to discredit those of us who hold conservative values.

You did.

That is not clear. Did I offend you or blame women for something?

or so I took your meaning, Context is everything as they say, your point is clearer now.

It used to be a much mooted theory that too much female influence in the upbringing was a cause of homosexuality hence my response to your comment about it not being ideal for a woman to raise sons.

That is quite a leap.

Actually, I was thinking foremost about crime. Thank goodness I didn't cause I would have to mention that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime in this country, in no small part because of fatherless families.

If I said something like that, not only would I be anti gay, but a racists also. Just as well I didn't mention it.

The Real, Complex Connection Between Single-Parent Families and Crime

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The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet



If I said something like that, not only would I be anti gay, but a racists also. Just as well I didn't mention it.

The Real, Complex Connection Between Single-Parent Families and Crime

Stay well within the politically correct guidelines tubedog....logic, facts, and statistics can only lead your labeling as (insert hateful "ist" here).

Censorship is our watchword. In the name of "tolerance" of course.

[AnneBoleyn]

Tude Dog is doing fine without your ridiculous advice halfway. He seems really able to hold his end in discussions without whining that he's being picked on or censored like you. IMO.

Also, TD appears to have a sense of humor about himself & I don't see that in you. Again, IMO.