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    Re: Oaklahoma And Marriage

    The Christian Taliban in action . Ugh .

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    Re: Oaklahoma And Marriage

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    Oklahoma bill abolishes state marriage licenses

    An Oklahoma bill that passed one legislative chamber this week rewrites the state’s marriage-licensing process, and asks clergy and notaries to sign off on new marriage papers.
    The Oklahoma House of Representatives voted Tuesday to change state law to require couples to get a marriage certificate from an authorized member of the clergy after a formal ceremony. Couples who do not wish to have a religious ceremony may get a notarized common-law marriage affidavit.

    Clerks would record these documents but no longer would issue marriage licenses. Judges who wish to officiate at a marriage ceremony may do so, but would not be required to do so.
    Washington Times

    I don't see a problem there.

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    Re: Oaklahoma And Marriage

    "I don't see a problem there."

    You don't, TD? "Couples who do not wish to have a religious ceremony may get a notarized common-law marriage affidavit." Common-law is not the same, & not equal to marriage. When this goes to the Supreme Court, and it will, this law will be thrown out. A state can't force a religious ceremony for a "real" marriage. Common law is not recognized in every state. Marriage is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    "I don't see a problem there."

    You don't, TD? "Couples who do not wish to have a religious ceremony may get a notarized common-law marriage affidavit." Common-law is not the same, & not equal to marriage.
    Apparently in Oklahoma it is. What he problem as long as the newly united get all the same legal and tax considerations?

    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    When this goes to the Supreme Court, and it will, this law will be thrown out. A state can't force a religious ceremony for a "real" marriage. Common law is not recognized in every state. Marriage is.
    "Homosexual marriage" definition: oxymoron

    Ever since this nonsense of "homosexual marriage" became and issue it was apparent to me is the best resolution is for the state to get out of the marriage business.

    The progressive left has done enough damage to the concept of marriage.

    What should we now call the union of a couple?

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    Re: Oaklahoma And Marriage

    This all stems from the Federal and State legal systems refusing, some years back, to make provisions for a "Civil Union" for the purpose of people who were not intending to legally marry, but to live together and share their lives and resources, and wanted to have the same kind of tax considerations, and rights to inheritance and such as married couples. The IRS in particular insisted that only married couples could qualify for the financial consideration given Married folk.
    There were, of course other influences, as well. Laws governing people in co-habitation with unrelated people. Sexual relations outside of marriage. that sort of outdated BS, that should have been dealt with long ago.

    This forced the people to pursue the marriage route.

    Now look at the mess they've made.

    I agree with the Dog. The State should get out of the marriage business, which is based upon old Nineteenth Century rules.

    The universe is changing, and we either adapt or die.

    But, yes, at this point in human evolution,
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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    TD: "What should we now call the union of a couple?"

    A marriage. Homosexuals marrying have nothing to do with same-sex marriage. It doesn't hurt you in the least. As for Oklahoma, as soon as there is a court battle, their new silly law will be thrown out, after wins, losses & appeals. It will not be found constitutional, because it is invasive.

    TD: "The progressive left has done enough damage to the concept of marriage."

    Nope. Damage occurred when straight people began running to the divorce court, then to the marriage hall, then back to the divorce court, and so on and so on & scooby dooby dooby. Statistics show evangelical Xians as having the most divorces & marriages & re-marriages.
    Too many evangelicals could be bad for your marriage - Corner of Church and State

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    Re: Oaklahoma And Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    Latest on this perceived controversy,

    Oklahoma bill abolishes state marriage licenses





    Washington Times

    I don't see a problem there.
    Who gets to decide what an authorised member of the clergy is? Which denomination and what happens if the couple are of different religions.

    Why do you see nothing wrong with the religious interfering in everyday life but complain when theb state acts to protect individual rights

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    Re: Oaklahoma And Marriage

    In America it seems you only need to become an ordained Minister, for free, and are then legally entitled to perform your own marriage ceremonies.

    https://theamm.org/

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    Re: Oaklahoma And Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    TD: "What should we now call the union of a couple?"

    A marriage. Homosexuals marrying have nothing to do with same-sex marriage.
    Huh? Just what are we talking about then?

    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    It doesn't hurt you in the least.
    Not much. Just annoyed at the illogic of it all.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    As for Oklahoma, as soon as there is a court battle, their new silly law will be thrown out, after wins, losses & appeals. It will not be found constitutional, because it is invasive.
    Hey, at least Oklahoma is giving homosexuals a path to the pains of marriage.

    Talk about invasive. When I got married had to take a blood test and wait three days.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    TD: "The progressive left has done enough damage to the concept of marriage."

    Nope. Damage occurred when straight people began running to the divorce court, then to the marriage hall, then back to the divorce court, and so on and so on & scooby dooby dooby. Statistics show evangelical Xians as having the most divorces & marriages & re-marriages.
    Well, I welcome homosexuals to the real world.

    Too many evangelicals could be bad for your marriage - Corner of Church and State[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Oaklahoma And Marriage

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    Who gets to decide what an authorised member of the clergy is? Which denomination and what happens if the couple are of different religions.
    I don't know Oklahoma law, but I suspect it is much like California law in that pretty much anybody can be licensed to be a minister. Our poster friend Asho! has performed marriages.

    Then again you forget clergy and notaries

    When I need a notary, I go to a bank.

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    Why do you see nothing wrong with the religious interfering in everyday life but complain when theb state acts to protect individual rights
    Uh mostly because I don't know what you are talking about.

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