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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

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    No you can't - unless you are going to argue that atheism is merely another religion with it's own set of beliefs you have to espouse and follow to be a true atheist which is a spurious argument I make a point of not engaging in except to say it is spurious, nonsensical etc etc.
    You've never met a Buddhist, then.
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    I agree with the OP. if someone disagrees with what the guy is saying, they should be free to stand on the opposite corner and spew their own opinion. We let crazy churches line funeral processions with their protest signs don't we?
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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

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    I agree with the OP. if someone disagrees with what the guy is saying, they should be free to stand on the opposite corner and spew their own opinion. We let crazy churches line funeral processions with their protest signs don't we?
    Not if we can help it
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    You've never met a Buddhist, then.
    I have as it happens

    unless you are going to argue that atheism is merely another religion with it's own set of beliefs you have to espouse and follow to be a true atheist which is a spurious argument
    You will note I said there is no set of beliefs that you have to follow to be an atheist however much people like to pretend that there is. Some cannot accept the notion of a religion that does not have a god to worship to them Buddhism is not a religion, I take it you do not hold to that view.

    I occasionally like to annoy Christians by suggesting that jesus may have been influenced by Buddhist thought he was located in what was a cultural crossroads it's not inconceivable he came across their ideas. The contrast of his teaching with the savage god of the old testament is quite striking. At this point discussion usually falls apart.

    And, just to stir the sediment a bit. One can be an atheist and believe in a religion-based society.
    One can be an atheist and tolerate religion but to accept a religion based society means you must be prepared to accept the laws of "god" are superior to those of man there is always going to be conflict just look at the fuss over homosexuality because religion and the religious claim the right to discriminate.

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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    I have as it happens



    You will note I said there is no set of beliefs that you have to follow to be an atheist however much people like to pretend that there is. Some cannot accept the notion of a religion that does not have a god to worship to them Buddhism is not a religion, I take it you do not hold to that view.

    I occasionally like to annoy Christians by suggesting that jesus may have been influenced by Buddhist thought he was located in what was a cultural crossroads it's not inconceivable he came across their ideas. The contrast of his teaching with the savage god of the old testament is quite striking. At this point discussion usually falls apart.



    One can be an atheist and tolerate religion but to accept a religion based society means you must be prepared to accept the laws of "god" are superior to those of man there is always going to be conflict just look at the fuss over homosexuality because religion and the religious claim the right to discriminate.
    So, I am getting that in your view, only those religions based upon the Semite Monotheistic God are truly religions.
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    So, I am getting that in your view, only those religions based upon the Semite Monotheistic God are truly religions.
    Where are you getting that from? Buddhism is a religion

    religion
    the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or any such system of belief and worship:
    Or ijn a more broader sense
    A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence
    The latter definition fits Buddhism. You can argue the toss whether there needs a belief in god to be a religion but imo it's a pointless debate most people would accept the latter definition as well. Politics as religion? - certainly generates as much hate and in tolerance.


    Atheism is not a religion
    1) there is no god figure
    2) there is no organised collection of beliefs.

    How clear can it be?

    Maybe you should read again what I wrote

    You will note I said there is no set of beliefs that you have to follow to be an atheist however much people like to pretend that there is. Some cannot accept the notion of a religion that does not have a god to worship to them Buddhism is not a religion, I take it you do not hold to that view.
    I'm assuming you would class Buddhism as a religion there are many who would not, indeed there are many that would argue theirs is the only "true" religion and all else is false.

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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    Where are you getting that from? Buddhism is a religion

    religion


    Or ijn a more broader sense


    The latter definition fits Buddhism. You can argue the toss whether there needs a belief in god to be a religion but imo it's a pointless debate most people would accept the latter definition as well. Politics as religion? - certainly generates as much hate and in tolerance.


    Atheism is not a religion
    1) there is no god figure
    2) there is no organised collection of beliefs.

    How clear can it be?

    Maybe you should read again what I wrote



    I'm assuming you would class Buddhism as a religion there are many who would not, indeed there are many that would argue theirs is the only "true" religion and all else is false.
    Well you keep putting rules around religion, such as:
    One can be an atheist and tolerate religion but to accept a religion based society means you must be prepared to accept the laws of "god" are superior to those of man there is always going to be conflict just look at the fuss over homosexuality because religion and the religious claim the right to discriminate.
    But in many Buddhist regions - Tibet, for example - You have to admit that they have a very religion-based society (or did, prior to the Chinese invasion of the 50s)

    We seem to be talking in circles, you and I. But essentially, as we both stated, "Atheism" is a lack of belief in a god, or gods.
    And for the most part, many atheists are simply people who don't believe that there are gods - supernatural beings. Buddhism qualifies as that. Therefore a Buddhist is also an atheist, which supports my statement:
    One can be an atheist and believe in a religion-based society.
    But it is man's nature to collectively pursue a society, and to do so, they must establish rules. For centuries, religions were the simplest way of defining these rules, and developing the required discipline and enthusiasm for maintaining that society.
    As we have evolved to a point where so many people from different places, with different societal beliefs have become crammed together, there are bound to be disagreements.
    It is easy to fall back on the religion of one's ancestors to support one's societal rules.

    People who are in a world that frightens them cling to ideas and rules of their childhood.
    It may not be so much that I've conceded your point as that you just can't hear me rolling my eyes.

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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

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    But in many Buddhist regions - Tibet, for example - You have to admit that they have a very religion-based society (or did, prior to the Chinese invasion of the 50s)
    OK you're right. You do have good point and I do tend to think primarily of judeo/Christian semite monotheistic religion when I use the term religion. I also tend to think of religion as requiring some kind of god figure but realise that's doesn't quite cover all the bases but it's an ingrained habit.

    posted by larsmac
    We seem to be talking in circles, you and I. But essentially, as we both stated, "Atheism" is a lack of belief in a god, or gods.
    And for the most part, many atheists are simply people who don't believe that there are gods - supernatural beings. Buddhism qualifies as that. Therefore a Buddhist is also an atheist, which supports my statement:
    More a case I'm going round in a circle I think. You get so used to arguing with fundamentalist Christians who believe theirs is the only true religion I completely missed what you were getting at.stopped

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